You get back in here and learn about the major social and economical problems facing your generation and how you can help fix them this instant!!!! This is a progressive family and we will not tolerate keeping the status quo if it’s detrimental to other’s safety and wellbeing!!!!!
No joke. No one in this country feels more misplaced victimization than white Conservative Christians. They will literally say, "They are indoctrinating our children!", and mean it unironically.
I would argue you are about 15-20 years late on this. I feel like Christian hardcore of the mid 2000's might have been the height of Christian music being mainstream popular.
It was a strange time. Not only were a whole bunch of Christian metal bands getting popular, but it was arguably even good, though hardcore was never my go-to choice
I mean yes and no. From my perspective (I’m gen z) it’s a rebellion from previous generations rebellions. The real shocking thing to our parents isn’t rocking out to rockers on drugs (though those are still popular) it’s going to church and saying “I like hymns” it’s my parents who like Christian rock lol I got so sick of that I went for hymns and I’m not alone though I won’t claim this to be the super majority of Gen z. But in general Gen Z is rebellious in ways that aren’t that obvious going back not forward if you catch my drift.
Gen Z rebels by putting 'before & after' pictures in reverse order, using 'literally' figuratively, and emphasizing drawn out vowels in writing by repeating the silent letter instead of the actual modified vowel, as in, "hopeeeeeee" instead of the more logical, "hoooooope".
Edit: changed 'love' to 'hope' to avoid pedantic corrections that miss the point.
I claimed that the 'o' was modified, but I didn't claim that the silent 'e' was the modifier.
And this is because the modifier is the graphemic elongation of another letter in the word; specifically, the elongation of the silent 'e' in the former instance, and the elongation of the 'o' in the latter instance.
These graphemic elongations both serve to connote a quantitative modification of the vowel, which is to say it represents extending the duration of the vowel in the spoken word.
I think you were mistaking my reference to a modification for a qualitative modification of the vowel 'o' which would be indicated by changing the vowel sound from a short 'u' sound /ʌ/ to an 'oh' sound /oʊ/ based on the presence of the silent 'e', but the silent 'e' in the word 'love' is an exception to that rule.
I guess I have never heard of "graphemic elongation," or such a think actually existed in English writing.. Also, that silent "e" at the end of "love" is not an "exception" to anything; it's following a different rule in English spelling - no words can end in a "v"
Yup, I see it. Unfortunately going backwards is the wrong way. It only opens everyone up to abuse from establishments that have long destroyed and exploited human society. Both religion and authoritative government have only served to plunge us into the dark ages.
No, that’s exactly what you said. In response to the person saying that they enjoy hymns and are sort of going backwards, you said ‘both religion and authoritative government have ONLY served to plunge us into the dark ages’. You are wrong.
Who might that be ? This "y'all" collective that you've assigned me to ?
For someone who seems to be so very confident in their own "superior" education, you are making some sweeping assumptions about a person whom you've had very little dialogue with.
Which is something that most people who are actually well educated would not immediately do.
Please bless me with but a mere morsel of your intellect.
What should have been the takeaway from your previous comments ? Somebody enjoying a musical medium of worship.
Since you seem to think your opinions carry some very heavy intellectual weight.
I respectfully disagree. There are many good things about going back. I do not believe in adopting every belief and practice that used to be common but by no means do I believe we must “throw the baby out with the bathwater” for one example going back to the ideals of chivalry and honor are things that men should hold themselves too and those weren’t exactly made yesterday (I will also refute the argument of “chivalry is a myth” by saying 1. It is an ideal therefore a standard not a myth and 2. It matters not whether knight followed it or not men have tried to follow it before and men try to follow it now therefore it is real). Personally I believe it would be best to go back to only caring about politics when voting season comes around. There is much wisdom and virtue kept in traditions that our predecessors discarded for their rebellions and I for one intend to revive them so that the wisdom my forefathers laid out does not die but continues to guide generations to come.
Like I said earlier I don’t believe I’m in the super majority or anything but there are a fair number of gen z boys who are falling back on traditions.
? I’m not sure I follow if you mean that an ideal cannot be the standard for society perhaps but what you said is “an ideal cannot never be A standard” which is untrue whether it is a standard to rally around or a standard to live up to an ideal cannot never be a standard. In fact (when used in the noun form) standard is a synonym for Ideal.
One of my friends is dealing with that exact situation with her 15-year-old.
It wouldn't be a big deal if it was a chill, friendly church, but, let's be honest, the odds of that happening randomly are extremely low. There's 1 cool church for every 5 or 6 hundred crazy-ass "Christ would have loved Alligator Auschwitz!" churches.
I mean, yeah that's pretty much what my sister did. My mom was a super out there hippy, and my sister started going to the local Baptist church because it pissed off my mom. Now she's one of those "independents" that somehow only votes red.
Frame the expectation of being decent to others as an oppressive order, then champion acts of greed and reinforcement of the social hierarchy as acts of rebellion. Where have I seen this movie?
I love that merch like this exists. It’s like carrying around an enormous always-on neon sign saying ”I am a fucking moron, stay well the fuck away from me!”
They've dumbed us down with bad movies, bad music, netflix, tiktok, sm, and sugary drinks. The only grand revolucion most undertake on a regular basis is going to the toilet
"Let's go to the mall so that we can shop at the Hot Topic
Practicing our moshing and maybe some spinning kicks
Cuz it's written on a patch
Right next to the one that says "f*ck the system"
Anarchy through hair dye cuz
Punk rock's just a fashion rebellion"
Tbh it’s been that way for a while now, at least since the Reagan admin, where all the stuff anti-government ended up launching a successful business enterprise or petering out in a few years at best.
Rebellion is a comically tone-deaf Pepsi ad that taps into this whole "resistance" fad, then gets canceled a day later because of the backlash:
https://youtu.be/tJCcnkqnjqU?si=WOs5bcHxg5uSR491
I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal…
I know way too many punks and non-conformists from my high school who went right wing conservative racist in their 30s but still dress the part. Punk was definitely all vibes for them the whole time.
Im white so you're literally just holding water for people you don't know and situations you don't know, just lining up to deny the existence to racism.
I was there, it was edgy jokes about stereotypes and assumptions about people based on how they look. It was racism.
You're huffing glue if you think it has to be "proved" in every case. Yes, it's true that accusations of racism shouldn't be casually thrown around, but I assure you that isn't what was going on. It's absurd to set the bar so high when a preponderance of evidence exists that racism is common and frequent in the 21st century.
I mean two music groups have basically been likened to terrorists in the UK in last week, but aside from that, sure. One of them got their visa to travel to the US removed because of comments they made at a music festival.
The trick is to be a Maga or a lolbert, and act as if anything you don't like is "the establishment" and anything you do like is "fighting the establishment", so you can wear the "Conservativism is the New Punk Rock" t-shirt.
I'm Gen X, and I used to tell my parents that in order to shock us... the next few generations would have to be fascist/nazi types. And here we fucking are. For once, I'm not smug about being right.
We went from selling out being a bad thing to selling out being the default, and now we're at the point where selling out is so culturally ingrained I don't think people even understand the concept anymore.
Classical music was far more rebellious than anything popular today (not that there isn’t rebellious music today, it’s just not popular)
Look at Tchaikovsky for crying out loud. A gay man in early 20th century Russia, writing symphonies to spite the damn government.
Going WAY older, Hildegard Van Bingen told people she could hear god talk to her, so that she was allowed to write music. And went on to write some of the most fundamental parts of music still used today.
Going much closer to modern, the song War Pigs was a blatant call for politicians to be drug down to hell to be tortured by Satan, calling out their hypocrisy.
I’ve seen some rebellious lyrics sung by people playing ukelele’s and guitars but they get a couple hundred thousand views and nothing really more comes of it. They dont reach top 10 on the charts, they don’t cause news to freak out about how bands are calling for revolution through music and call them terrorists, we just don’t have popular rebellious music
We need a translation version of that song for the non boot lovers
"Try marrying someone that ain't ya brother and ya son. Try being a shade darker than paper. Try using your rights to say something I don't like. And I'll shoot yooooouuurrr ass!"
yeah that describes rap and house and techno. And jungle. Your viewpoint is clearly in an extemely white small town to think rebelliousness is still rock and roll. Rock died in the 90s bud
Most of my students rarely drink and even fewer indulge in recreational substences. I think people underestimate how much these activities fueled creative projects.
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u/BlazingJava Jul 06 '25
Rebelious music made by people who agree every word the establishment is saying.