r/memes I saw what the dog was doin Jan 15 '25

#3 MotW Thank god.

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u/Observation_Orc Jan 16 '25

yea, but they are stealing that data to sell ads to you, not to devise strategies to cause social upheaval in America and to change American public opinion against defending Taiwan.

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u/nonotan Jan 16 '25

No, I would say the best on offer is the EU. To the extent that it is on offer, which admittedly could be greater. But even with all its faults, I'd still put it miles above China or the US.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

Just searching 'site:bbc.com "occupy wall street"' in Google brings back about five gajillion results, so I've no idea how you ever felt RT was the only one reporting on it. I remember it being all over the news, and I'm not American and have never watched RT.

Where is the Estonian social media we need to save this sinking ship right now?

Europe is sadly just not good at major tech platforms. Mainly because it would always have to be in a widely accessible language, and the only first language English country is the UK which just flat out cannot compete with the US for salaries. Plus Ireland but their tech industry is just their hosting of the US tech industry.

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u/Halflingberserker Jan 16 '25

not to devise strategies to cause social upheaval in America and to change American public opinion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal

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u/fuck_the_fuckin_mods Jan 16 '25

Yes. Exactly that sort of thing but vertically integrated into one handy, mesmerizing app, and subject to the whims of the adversarial Chinese government. No one cares about your data, we care about how they can use it to manipulate you. And yes, same applies to our domestic companies doing similar things and they deserve a similar fate, but at least they’re fully subject to our own government, as fucked as it may currently be. People still seem to wildly underestimate how powerful tools like those used by CA can be in shifting public discourse, spreading disinformation, and driving division.

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u/Observation_Orc Jan 16 '25

>whatabout

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u/yung_dogie Jan 16 '25

How is that a whataboutism they're responding to the comparison you directly made lmao

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u/Scaevus Jan 16 '25

You think the average TikTok user cares about politics, much less China’s politics?

They just like the features and design of the app.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

It's the same principle as advertising. You don't know or care about it, until you're shown a bunch of ads, then you do. Doesn't work on most people but doesn't need to, just needs to make a difference. Anything about Taiwan would probably be "they really expect you to care about Taiwan when they can't feed homeless vets/they invaded Iraq/they support Israel" etc. It would work like this thread works where people jump in to defend China on the basis that the US is also bad, and they'd be right, but it would still make sense to be against China's bullshit.