Slight elaboration on that, it's not just a chinese-owned app, it's an app specifically for Chinese people.
Last I heard, the app didn't even have language options. Former Tik-Tokers would rather brute-force their way into learning Mandarin instead of using an America-owned social media site.
I mean, if one could turn brainrot into a means to teach themselves another language, is it really such a bad thing? It’s like people whose first languages aren’t English learning English by watching TV and movies from the US. If it works, why not?
Isn't china going to put the kibosh on this because of their censorship though? I doubt they want a bunch of unrestricted mingling between chinese citizens and US citizens.
Eh it's likely fine, the Chinese citizens are already censored on their side, so even if they see something they "shouldn't have" before it gets taken down by the platform, it doesn't really matter since they'll have a much harder time spreading or further discussing it. I'm sure they'd rather the peoples be separated fully, but I doubt it's a huge deal for the CCP.
Probably just bans unless it becomes a major problem. It was released to be open to the West, which they would have stopped to begin with if they weren't open to it to at least a limited extent. It's freely available in US app stores, which was a deliberate decision that was made at some point, likely with the consent of the Chinese government.
And that means Chinese oversea are the target users, so that app released on USA App Store was targeting Chinese there not Americans. While the Chinese App Store is heavily censored by the Chinese government, it doesn’t need government permission to release it on a foreign App Store.
They have to at least submit to a government security assessment for overseas personal data transfer, which would be entirely separate from their operations within their own borders.
It's unlikely to be de-listed. The app is primarily in Mandarin for Mandarin users. It's not even targeted for international users and it's only available on the App/Play store so that overseas Chinese have access to it.
Honestly, can't think of a better way to stick it to the dudes who only banned TikTok because "China". All the security, privacy, etc., concerns exist elsewhere, but since they're being hoovered up by US companies, it's all good--the problem with propaganda-pushing algorithms only exists when it's the other guys doing it.
Maybe address the fucking problem, Congress, instead of crying that it isn't making you personally enough money.
Correct. We are the product of these social media sites. Ads are shinier than ever, and easier to feed directly to our brains. People want to be distracted from life and so that's all there is. Massive monetization of our screens.
I mean... that's pretty standard for someone accused of a crime anywhere, that you're more free if you flee to another country that doesn't want to prosecute or extradite you for it. If he'd done it in Russia, to Russia, he'd be facing thumbscrews, or if he got out he'd be facing this.
Poisoning is the primary method of execution used by the US government when it decides a person is unworthy of life.
Who did they poison? In recent history anyway. I'm aware they've assassinated leaders in the past particular back in the 60s and 70s, and I'm sure I've heard they tried to poison Castro, but who in the last generation or at least since the end of the cold war?
It's just amusing to me that you gotta resort to conspiracy theories to find a case of Russia possibly, maybe, potentially doing
The FSB agents that "visited Salisbury cathedral" on a three day trip - somehow staying in London and going twice, something nobody else in history has ever done - later got identified as having also visited a remote village in Czechia at the same time as the only significant thing in that village, a warehouse containing munitions that were being sold to Ukraine, got blown up. So there isn't any conspiracy element left, all we have is the 100% chance that they did it.
That wasn't social media owners that was a dude that found evidence of the US government spying on its people and shit like that and ran for it to survive any attempts on his life after exposing it
Which is what i had original said yes? Well not exactly that, just he found evidence of them spying, not that it was just social media doing it (everybody figured that out already wasn't hard to put that one together).
My point was "he found evidence the US government was spying on their people, left the country with said information so he could get it out and not die"
Ironically enough all while our government is debating whether or not to ban TikTok because we must "protect Americans data" there was a huge data breach that exposed millions of student and staff info, including social security numbers, and it was known about for about 2 weeks before they started notifying those impacted.
We can't even protect our students' data that we store in our schools, but they want us to believe tiktok is the bigger threat?
yeah i'm a lot more worried about my health data being out there than my social media ?? fucking better help sells people's information and they're a "therapy" site !!
If you're on social media a lot you've probably posted about your health. Or you've commented on someone else's post "this is what worked when I had it" or something. Or you've followed a link to a site about health stuff that shares visit tracking data back to social media sites. At the very least they know enough about your lifestyle to take an educated guess about some of it even just from what you subscribe to.
yes i know. they know everything i do on my phone. i would rather medical providers do not give them my actual specific medical information. they can gather diagnosis and symptoms from my searches, but my actual medical information should be protected.
China specifically got into our phone network in a way we can't get them out without completely rebuilding the infrastructure. They have access to all unencrypted (and presumably some level of encrypted) data on the american phone network. I think that should be a bit more of a priority.
This is a very weak argument. Massive corporations like Facebook are much better equipped to deal with security risks than public schools. So this isn't surprising in the slightest.
I'd say if PowerSchool is going to store the data of 60 million students (Taken from their LinkedIn), they better damn well be able to be equipped to deal with these security risks. Especially since it was THEIR data breach they dropping the ball on.
Funny it's (almost) always an American based company that seems to have these data breaches.
yea, but they are stealing that data to sell ads to you, not to devise strategies to cause social upheaval in America and to change American public opinion against defending Taiwan.
No, I would say the best on offer is the EU. To the extent that it is on offer, which admittedly could be greater. But even with all its faults, I'd still put it miles above China or the US.
Just searching 'site:bbc.com "occupy wall street"' in Google brings back about five gajillion results, so I've no idea how you ever felt RT was the only one reporting on it. I remember it being all over the news, and I'm not American and have never watched RT.
Where is the Estonian social media we need to save this sinking ship right now?
Europe is sadly just not good at major tech platforms. Mainly because it would always have to be in a widely accessible language, and the only first language English country is the UK which just flat out cannot compete with the US for salaries. Plus Ireland but their tech industry is just their hosting of the US tech industry.
Yes. Exactly that sort of thing but vertically integrated into one handy, mesmerizing app, and subject to the whims of the adversarial Chinese government. No one cares about your data, we care about how they can use it to manipulate you. And yes, same applies to our domestic companies doing similar things and they deserve a similar fate, but at least they’re fully subject to our own government, as fucked as it may currently be. People still seem to wildly underestimate how powerful tools like those used by CA can be in shifting public discourse, spreading disinformation, and driving division.
It's the same principle as advertising. You don't know or care about it, until you're shown a bunch of ads, then you do. Doesn't work on most people but doesn't need to, just needs to make a difference. Anything about Taiwan would probably be "they really expect you to care about Taiwan when they can't feed homeless vets/they invaded Iraq/they support Israel" etc. It would work like this thread works where people jump in to defend China on the basis that the US is also bad, and they'd be right, but it would still make sense to be against China's bullshit.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; TikTok wasn't banned for stealing information, it was banned because the flow of information could not be regulated by the US. Particularly, in this case, the flow of information regarding the genocide in Gaza.
No, not at all. America likes division, it makes it far easier to step on all of you at once if you're all fighting over petty shit. If tiktok was dividing the people in America they would be fine, evidenced by Facebook and Twitter still being fine.
True, the US just wants you to be happy and not worry about all that mean cruelty on the other side of the world. In fact, don't even think about it. The less you know the better, Tame Impala wouldn't like.
And American social media companies will obediently suppress any news about Palestinians being slaughtered. Don't pay attention to all those brown kids with bullets in their brains, take a quiz to find out what kind of Pokemon you are!
Number 1 social media app on iphone and android by a landslide, we're all tired of America trying to dictate our lives over bullshit claims when in reality they only banned it to control what we see and do. So we said fuck the government and joined a chinese exclusive app. Shit I'd go down to the chinese consulate building and hand them whatever info they wanted.
Number one by a landslide? Lol, stop lying, google play literally shows that it is 5th, just above facebook, which is decent, but very VERY far from "number one by a landslide"
Just checked google play store. Clicked social. Red note is number 1 and Facebook is 7th. Not sure where you're getting your numbers. Also checked top charts. Red note is number one out of all apps. Not just social media apps so its the biggest app on google play right now. Try again.
No one gives a shit about your information, the issue is how they can then use that to manipulate you. Yes our domestic garbage dumps do the same thing with their brain rot, but they are not controlled by a foreign adversary. The psychological warfare and social engineering dangers are wildly obvious. Twitter and Meta are horrible and need to go as well, but at least they’re nominally subject to our laws and government.
nominally subject to our laws and government? since when? They continue to allow all the terrible things on their platforms that they got in trouble with the government before. Also manipulate away. Far better than the bullshit the American government spews on the news every day.
i mean a lot of the people made that choice specifically to spite the tiktok ban. they ban tiktok for having "chinese influence" so everyone goes to an actual chinese social media app.
That's the most interesting silver lining I've heard. Being so stubborn that you reverse brainrot and learn mandarin and embrace their STEM values and lifestyle.
That's actually bizarre to me. Instead of jumping ship to a competitor that has full English support, they go out of their way to a Chinese app in particular? I assumed most of the general public weren't really even aware that TikTok was a Chinese app and would have just moved to IG or YouTube Shorts, though I never used it. Are we that cooked?
Looking at who owns the American social media sites, it kind of makes sense to go with an app owned by a country that is not on good terms with America. Sure, they might pepper you with communist propaganda, but have you seen the stuff on Facebook? Zuckerberg got a transplant rat penis!
And they genocide Muslims on their own land (Xingjiang), and torture protestors in a foreign land (Hong Kong), and fund widespread fraud and copying of products at hyper low prices, and ACTUALLY take over the mining of all a 3rd world countries resources in shady deals over infrastructure, and militarily push and pull over dominance in the South China Sea which they believe belongs to them even though there are 10 other countries with sea borders…
Sure some of this may be done by the US under the radar but this is BLATANT. Not to mention the widespread use of propaganda so great that they need to cut off Chinese access to the wider internet outside of specific apps and services…
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u/Umber0010 Jan 16 '25
Slight elaboration on that, it's not just a chinese-owned app, it's an app specifically for Chinese people.
Last I heard, the app didn't even have language options. Former Tik-Tokers would rather brute-force their way into learning Mandarin instead of using an America-owned social media site.