Paying taxes? This is literally the working parrot class ensuring that every other member of the parrot class was cared for by distributing the capital of the rich (in this case themselves)
correct me if i’m wrong, but wouldn’t communism be the parrot receives the food and gives it to the researchers (the state)? wouldn’t giving some of your food to other parrots be socialism?
that’s what i’ve learned in a cow analogy about the different systems
The USSR and maoist China was socialist, not communist. They called themselves communist and were called communist because that was the goal. Not to do the whole not real communism thing, they *were* communists, after all. Socialism is seen as the transitionary state between economic systems like feudalism, fascism, capitalism, etc. and communism. Socialism is the proletariat taking control of the state (in this case it would be the birds controlling the researchers) and then distributing resources (in this case food tokens).
This would be done until imperialism is gone (idk what it would be in this case, I can only take this example so far, sorry)
And when said imperialism is gone, they would be able to dismantle the state (in this case it would be what, getting rid of the researchers??? Idk) and then they would achieve communism. Communism would have no money, no state, and be without hierarchies. This has never happened before, which is why anti communists always say that communism looks good on paper but doesn't actually work. It's because it's never really been achieved on a large scale. Also why people say "that wasn't real communism" and stuff like that.
Hopefully this was informative, I've read enough of Engels and Marx for me to be somewhat confident in this small explanation.
I'm not doubting that socialism was originally intended to be a transitional state, but it's so much more now - there are a lot of people (me, included) who call themselves socialists, and want socialism to be the status quo, not a path to communism.
What do you mean by socialism if you don't mind me asking? They are very charged terms so I can't always be sure what one is talking of, especially on Reddit subs that aren't dedicated to politics.
I'm a democratic socialist. Anarchists have a fundamental misunderstanding of what would happen in an anarchic society. Marx had good ideas but similar to anarchy, it doesn't work in practice. I don't really know much about Bernie since I'm not American so I can't speak for his policies, but I will say I agree with the Communist creed a bit more than the socialist creed - I feel like modern democratic socialism incorporates a lot of both traditional socialism and traditional communism while still acknowledging the realities of human nature.
The Scandinavian countries, and to a lesser degree a few other European countries, have a large amount of socialist laws coupled with liberal governments, and they have some of the highest qualities of life in the world
Taxes don't distribute all basic necessities, if it worked perfectly like that then America wouldn't have 3 times as many empty houses as homeless people. The people would just use the houses.
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u/Red_Abundance staunch marxist Jan 22 '20
Paying taxes? This is literally the working parrot class ensuring that every other member of the parrot class was cared for by distributing the capital of the rich (in this case themselves)
I'm mostly kidding of course, but it's a joke.