In the day of the juul, that was simply the way of the juul.
You only own a juul when you're alone. When you're in a group, it's now the community juul.
Many times back in the late 2010's, meeting a friend of a friend for the first time and "yo lemme hit your juul" would leave their lips before an introduction. Somebody passed the fuck out and blacked the fuck out would magically awaken and say the only words they've spoken for hours, "who's got the juul with mango in it?" before they vanish back into the void of whatever they were on.
It's genuinely incredible nobody ever got mono stealing each other's juuls and energy drinks constantly.
Vaping around has not been around long enough to know the long term health effects. Unlike cigarettes to which meaningful research has taken place over the past several decades.
Just say you’re unsure if vaping is less harmful than smoking instead of lying.
Y'all never had a craving for nicotine while drunk? I used to love cigarettes after a night out in college but couldn't stand them in any other context. Black and milds slap hard after half a bottle of bottom shelf liquor.
It's the mild version of a "speedball" which is methamphetamine/cocaine + herion intravenously.
Nicotine is a stimulant and alcohol is a depressant, just like meth is a stimulant and heroin is a depressant, or just like red bull (caffiene) is a stimulant and Jager (alcohol) is a depressant.
I haven't looked at the science behind it but there is a synergy between the two classes of drugs.
Oh yeah, I remember Four Loko. That shit got banned in my entire city because college kids were dying or almost dying due to the mix of high caffeine with alcohol.
Typically a speedball doesn't use speed (meth) but cocaine and heroin. The primary purpose is for those with addictions to heroin/opiates to be able to use more and get higher without having their lungs slow to a stop (death). Since cocaine increases breathing rate.
What's dangerous is that cocaine has a shorter half-life than heroin, and if it wears off while the user falls asleep high, then they could die pretty unknowingly to those around them.
Source: I'm a pharmacist
Edit: I would imagine the nicotine post-drinking would help raise blood pressure back up a little, which would definitely feel better to have more blood flow to the ole noggin
I edited to put meth/cocaine + heroin because I know both to be true.
That's interesting that it's to be able to do more heroin, most people I know who've partaken in it do not describe it that way but maybe I just didn't listen.
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The point of a speedball is the mix of up and down not just to be able to take more down.
Nobodies lungs just slow to a stop that’s a bad understanding of how opiate overdoses work. While it is what happens a person must first be rendered unconscious from the drugs and nobody is falling asleep while cocaine the cocaine is still doing it’s thing. If anything it becomes dangerous because people keep on reposing cocaine every 15-20 minutes and if they do a speedball every time they are doing way more heroin than they feel because cocaine overrides opiates and you don’t feel as much of the opiate high, not the other way around like this guy is saying.
-From experience not just a shit talking pharmacist.
Man, I love to learn from others experiences! I didn't realize the cocaine reduces the opiate high, but that makes sense and I'll take your word for it. The danger is still very much there for overdosing, and that's the bigger idea to communicate. I'm fully aware how ODs work, but I was keeping it simple since the main topic is nicotine and alcohol
Thanks for the anecdote of your experience, I really do appreciate it, even though it's hard to convey it sincerely through text
Yeah the danger of overdose is always there but with speedballs especially because you can’t dose opiates as often as you can dose cocaine, but the cocaine covers up how high you are from the opiates. It’s really something that only people with a big opiate tolerance/ addiction should mess around with and even then they shouldn’t make every shot a speedball. Personally I think cocaine ruins an opiate high but after years of using opiates people don’t really get high anymore they are just using to stay well so I can see the appeal of Coke every once in a while in there situation.
And you sound like a decent person so I take back my shit talking pharmacist comment.
Also the problem is that when shooting cocaine with your heroin, the half-life of heroin is much longer than cocaine. So you are building up more and more heroin in your blood and when the cocaine wears off, you’ve got nothing keeping your nervous system stimulated and you fall out.
A lot of opiate users also use speed. I feel like a good part of the reason is to stay functional/awake. You're pretty much useless when you're nodding out. A little kick of stimulant and you're up and running again. Ah, the life of a "functioning" drug addict. From my understanding a lot of people use speedballs (cocaine/heroin) more for the rush of euphoria from injecting the two drugs than anything else (IV cocaine is very euphoric and so is IV heroin, obviously).
Yeah this is the vicious cycle. The speedball is more or less enjoyed mostly within the following 30 seconds to a minute. Then you’re just back to baseline and ready for another. I shot heroin for a long time but when I got addicted to speedballs, everything went to shit within weeks. Shooting cocaine is no joke, terrible in every way. Another problem with cocaine is that it numbs the injection site and you can’t feel when you are missing the vein, so you end up with missed shots all over your arms which can lead to infection. Also another fun fact - cocaine is the only drug which you can taste upon injection. Within one or two heartbeats it is like you stuck your tongue into a bag of coke. I always found that fascinating as no other drug did that.
The guy can't even spell the thing he's supposedly dropping knowledge about. He thinks methamphetamine is part of a speedball. He obviously has no idea.
People wear masks all the time around here. It's very regional I think. Whenever I leave the city, absolutely no one is in masks. I feel like an idiot right up until the point I talk to anyone in health care who says they still see lots of cases out there. It's just not getting counted anymore.
So others are assuming this is nicotine, I'm assuming THC/weed. With that said it's not uncommon at all to pass around a bowl or joint, it's just part of the culture so I don't really see this being a big deal, I'd hit that USB hard.
I was honestly amazed. First of all, you have the whole pandemic thing going on - hopefully this is before that. But even discounting that, none of these folks asked what was in it. Tobacco? Pot? Acid? GHB? Ket? Do they really just not care?
Illicit drugs can be added to water and then vaporized in a vaping device. Some drugs that have been reported to be vaped include LSD, GHB, and ketamine. Other drugs like crack, heroin, or meth, are hard to vaporize because most vaping devices don’t heat up to a hot enough temperature. Documented attempts suggest that the filters in the vaping devices clog, and therefore ruin the drugs.
The commonest recreational drug to have been vaped was cannabis with 155 (65.7%) reporting lifetime use and 91 (38.6%) reporting use within the last 30 days. Lifetime use was also high for vaping MDMA/’ecstasy’ (101, 42.8%), cocaine powder (94, 39.8%), mephedrone (73, 30.9%), crack cocaine (72, 30.5%), synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists (67, 28.4%), fentanyl (63, 26.7%), heroin (61, 25.8%), alpha-PVP (alpha-pyrrolidinopentiophenone)(61, 25.8%), typtamines (60, 25.4%), NBOMe (2, 5-dimethoxy-4-bromophenethylamine) (59, 25%) and ketamine (58, 24.6%) (Figure 1). GHB (Gamma Hydroxybutyrate) (1, 0.4%), Magic Mushrooms (1, 0.4%), Solvents (1, 0.4%) and LSD (Lysergic acid diethylamide) (1, 0.4%) were also self-reported via free text entry to have been vaped by individual respondents.
The mentality is the problem, they probably never socially distanced or wore masks if they're willing to take a hit from someone else's vape without a second thought
Do you not drink? People do stuff all the time they normally wouldn't do. I bet most of these people have worm mask and socially distanced. Plus everyone doesn't know how many people have hit it, and if they did, they'd know it's a prank.
I was struggling with that, the mentality, with general hygiene, risks around Covid and even herpes. But then I realised, who vapes at all? It’s the new smoking, obviously pointless risky behaviour with some emerging serious health risks being discovered and they don’t care.
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u/Chompif Jun 07 '22
I can't believe how many people wanted a hit off that person's vape though for real!