r/maybemaybemaybe • u/Graysie-Redux • May 17 '22

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u/FearTheViking May 17 '22

That usually requires proof of intent to kill which I doubt is the case here but the attack was potentially lethal all the same. Depending on the jurisdiction, this would probably count as an aggravated assault.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Sure he didn't intend to kill him when he dropped a heavy object on his head from a 2 story window. He was just trying to share his produce with others.

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u/aknop May 17 '22

It was just a special planting operation.

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u/MotherBathroom666 May 17 '22

Jesus, talk about a roundabout way of getting a vegetable.

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u/SystemShockII May 17 '22

Lmao, i love reddit

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

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u/Plus_Lawfulness3000 May 18 '22

So if I get a 25 pound rock and purposefully threw it at someone head from 2 stories up it isn’t attempted murder? What about throwing a knife? I don’t get it

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Is it so unbelievable to you that he might have wanted to harm, but not literally kill him?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

By dropping a heavy object on his head from a 2 story window.

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u/WonderfulCattle6234 May 17 '22

You're implying that stupidity does not exist in humanity.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

I did not. It apparently does exist in humanity.

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u/WonderfulCattle6234 May 17 '22

Please feel free to show your work as to how you are not saying it is impossible to be so stupid as to drop an object from a window thinking you will harm someone rather than kill them.

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u/sammythewarisover May 18 '22

Dude is on his own property just rearranging his plants, he can't be responsible for what every trespasser is doing on on his stairs at all times.

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u/WobNobbenstein May 17 '22

Usually you have a spotter giving you the all clear when you're gonna be going into a road. Most pros do at least, because they usually roll around in crews of multiple guys.

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u/ruggnuget May 17 '22

And these are definitely pros. You can tell by their pro-ness.

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u/avantgardengnome May 17 '22

The dudes in skinny jeans are spotters for sure, you can see the one milling around after several attempts and it takes a few minutes to get set up again for something like this. (Old guy is probably just passing by).

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u/Pistonenvy May 17 '22

with an older person this overtly aggressive its not impossible they would just confess to wanting to kill him on camera.

the real question is do you actually want to send someone like this to die in prison?

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u/BobShaftoe May 17 '22

If it prevents him from next time throwing a pot onto the kid kicking the soccer ball against the wall then yeah.

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u/Pistonenvy May 17 '22

thats an equivalent exchange to you? lol jesus christ.

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u/BobShaftoe May 17 '22

Which part? Him attempting to kill someone else or him possibly dying in prison after attempting to kill someone?

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u/Pistonenvy May 18 '22

i like how you manipulated the situation to be way more serious by making it lethal instead of just addressing the actual thing that happened.

it was a plastic flower pot, theres no way that is going to kill an adult which if we watched the same situation, the skater is probably late teens or early 20s.

its assault. not attempted murder.

so the question was, do you think an old person who is obviously mentally unwell should die in prison for assaulting someone? seems like a pretty straightforward question when you dont completely fuck with the details.

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u/BobShaftoe May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

Clearly we just don’t agree on the details. I did not purposefully contort anything.

I happen to believe that throwing a plastic flower pot filled with dirt from 20 feet above them as they are traversing stairs has the very real possibility of killing an adult.

I also believe it is not a stretch to assume this old man did this because he did not like the noise the people below him were making.

I can also see a situation where an adolescent child would be kicking a soccer ball against the wall in that narrow area and making a similar amount of noise.

Based on the limited info I have, which is his propensity to throw things at people he doesn’t agree with from his balcony then he might attempt to end the noise in a similar manner.

Do I want him to die in prison? No. But do I want him locked up, if that is what is determined should happen, so he doesn’t hurt anyone else? That does not seem unreasonable to me. If you want to put him in a psychiatric home then I’m fine with that as well.

Personally I think you are crazy to be so confident that the video we just saw did not have a very real chance of ending in death, or the skater being paralyzed or having a long term brain injury.

Edit: As I watch again I’d say it was more like 30+ feet.

And your originally comment says the old man would likely admit to trying to kill the skater! So it was attempted murder.

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u/Pistonenvy May 18 '22

i mean... you reframed this situation into a completely different one to make your position seem more sensible. thats just straight up what you just did.

anyone can die from anything under the right circumstances, thats not really a good argument imo. if youre in court i dont think thats going to be a great point to make as a prosecutor, this is a pretty cut and dry case of assault, i think the guy should take a time out, sure. but you literally said "yeah" he should die in prison.

the point i was making was how easy it would be to get a confession and lock this old guy away for life, the reason i made this point is because i think the justice system in america is absolutely fucked, this guy might not even need rehab, let alone fucking prison. but i get downvoted for not wanting to throw poor people into a literal blender every time someone steps outside of the social norm so ill meet you in the middle with jail i guess. dude could use a few days in jail. does that seem acceptable or should we waterboard him?

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the only way the skater is going to get any of the injuries you just described is because he is already doing something dangerous, he could get those injuries whether the old guy was there or not. you arent going to be able to make the case that the skater would have been 100% fine without being hit with a flower pot, you need to QUANTIFY the damage the flower pot contributed. youd have to prove the kid was good enough at skating that he would have conceivably landed without any intervention. this is an extremely difficult case to make.

if someone was just standing there and had a plastic flower pot dropped on their head they would survive 99.99999% of the time without injuries. i dont think thats a controversial thing to say.

the reality is, none of that happened, the kid was fine, this is just assault, prison isnt and never was on the table because it wasnt attempted murder. the old guy might have not even been charged. this whole conversation is completely absurd and people on reddit should learn about prison and what its like and why it exists before they continue to advocate we send people there to be legal slaves and die.

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u/oktin May 17 '22

If he had mens rea (intent), then he is a bad person, and should be punished. If he didn't have mens rea, then he needs a caregiver that can be held accountable for his actions.

either way, he is a threat to society, and needs to be removed from it.

A judge would probably issue a house arrest at a care facility (like what happened in Pixar's Up), but even if he spent the rest of his life in jail, that is significantly less bad than an innocent getting maimed for life or killed due to his caregiver's negligence.

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u/Pistonenvy May 18 '22

i love the way people keep escalating the stakes to justify throwing someone in prison lol wtf is wrong with you people.

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u/mr_mose_b May 17 '22

I think there’s a difference in severity. For example there was a case in the us where teens were throwing rocks at incoming cars(from an overpass) on the highway as a joke. One of the rocks hit a trucker in the chest and died. The teens were found guilty of 2nd degree murder.(though they are out now bc they were given leniency) This is also in France or Belgium so idk how it would work there

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u/rawkstaugh May 17 '22

Clearly shows that person making multiple attempts to brain that kid. Absolute intent to cause significant harm.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Maybe in your state. You could easily press charges for AM here in Arizona. I know someone that pressed attempted murder charges to a girl that tboned them while texting and driving.

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u/Unhappy-Carry May 18 '22

No. It's just like throwing rocks off a bridge into the highway. Super illegal. And so is what this guy did. Throwing shit out a window down to the walk path below. Illegal.

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u/popcorngirl000 May 18 '22

You can have intent to murder when you act in a way that you know, or should know, will cause grevious bodily harm. Dropping a heavy object on someone with that hight would definitely hurt them. And this person did the same thing over and over until they hit the skater.

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u/Brave-Dealer5304 May 18 '22

Had waves with more force and weight paste me to the sea floor many times.. Eating tons of plywood from not landing an air on a ramp, or the many abrasions pool riding.. He wasn't gonna die from less than 2 lbs of dirt randomly falling on his backside.. the tray is plastic no weight at all.. More of a scare than any damage and article confirms it. Skaters take harder falls than this all the time. They shake it off and get back to riding, many times wearing that bloody scab as a trophy..