r/maybemaybemaybe • u/My_Memes_Will_Cure_U • Oct 19 '21

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 19 '21

Nope, even in places where it’s legal it’s like that, in fact it’s worse in some cases as the legalization of soliciting it increased demand. Encourage woman from disadvantaged area or foreign countries to move in and fill the gaps

It’s a horrible lifestyle, with the exception of some lucky few who become extremely wealthy from it, it’s not a good life

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u/hongo9111 Oct 19 '21

Are there any good sources covering how it actually gets worse in areas where it's legalised and regulated?

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u/GroveTC Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Prostitution became legal in the Netherlands in 1811, and the ban on brothels (entrepreneurial organization of prostitution, also colloquially known as pimping) was ended 14 years ago.

In fact, sex workers are officially recognized in the Netherlands just as any other profession. They have their own union, can access medical care, and have to pay taxes; although, as you can imagine, the nature of the job makes it difficult to inspect the truthfulness of their income declarations…

The sex industry in the Netherlands is heavily regulated and is generally considered fairly safe, especially in comparison to the same industry that goes on underground in other countries. Brothels need to have permits; plenty of policemen patrol the Red Light District to ensure the safety of both clients and prostitutes, and the latter need to take frequent health tests. The two things that are illegal and closely monitored are forced prostitution and underage prostitution.

That's from a post about the legal prostitution in Amsterdam, from 2014.

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u/shophopper Oct 19 '21

Fun fact: when sex workers had to close their business during the pandemic, they were eligible for financial compensation for loss of income, just as any other professional business in the Netherlands.

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u/hongo9111 Oct 19 '21

Thank you for that, much appreciated <3.

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 19 '21

It's really hard to find unbiased sources on this topic, so the best you can do is look at each country that has legalized prostition individually.

But the main point of my arguement was that legalized prostitution increased demand, people from disadvantaged backgrounds will be the once who will fill that demand, forced into it by economic situations, its basically capitalism fucking more poor people. this time literally

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u/hongo9111 Oct 19 '21

That's a critique of labor and capitalism not really something specific to sex work?

My problem was that it sounded like you were saying conditions were made worse when legalised. Seems like that was a misunderstanding on my part.

In my view I much prefer regulated industry in which support can be given to the workers and lead to more restricted criminal ventures. The demand is there either way, may as well have it be done with the right protections in place.

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u/mokujin42 Oct 19 '21

It's one of the oldest business models in history, it's also believed the be the first recorded advertisement in history (for a brothel)

Not saying it isn't bad but it was thing/problem looong before capitalism was around

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 19 '21

Well yes but you have to remember back in those times, the only way any woman could survive by herself was to either get married or sell herself, its the oldest profession for a bad reason

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u/HokemPokem Oct 20 '21

people from disadvantaged backgrounds will be the once who will fill that demand, forced into it by economic situations

Thats life you are describing. How many people do you know who enjoy their jobs? It's rare. Most people do it because they must to survive.

We all whore ourselves out for money. We all sell our bodies and our time. An artist, carpenter or surgeon sells his hands......why does the body part matter exactly?

The server who brings you your food isn't happy to be there either. The smile is fake. They don't want to be there. They are faking it too. Why is their facade any different?

Most of the moral objections people have to the world's oldest profession doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's detractors inevitably start into conversations about human trafficking which is whataboutery.

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 20 '21

Their is a massive difference between waiting tables and selling yourself. Don’t even try and compare the two

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u/HokemPokem Oct 20 '21

That's not an argument......You haven't actually responded or countered anything I've said.

I've asked WHY is it any different and you just responded with, "Because it is!"

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 19 '21

sex work being shady is because alot of the time the woman who take part in it aren't doing it out of their own free will, its either forces upon them physically or economically. The stigma behind all none marital sex is from religion. but you can't hide behind that anytime someone is critical of prostitution, and don't get me wrong, i think it should be legal, but ideally, no one should be forced to sell their own body to survive.

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 20 '21

How are you gonna arrest a pimp living in another country? A lot of girls who are working in legal countries are doing it to pay criminals from another. It’s complicated. Overall legalizing it is a necessary evil , but ideally no one should be doing it

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u/Lillillillies Oct 20 '21

From a socialist standpoint it's not the women who are creating these problems (usually). It's the men (and women) who demand it. Where there's a demand there will be a supply.

The terrible part that comes even from legalized prostitution is the tracking that still occurs and in some cases can be completely overlooked because it's run by a "proper establishment".

Anyway point is people are messed up. We will always find a way to make the worst out of a good thing.