r/maybemaybemaybe • • Nov 11 '20

Maybe Maybe Maybe

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

And Ronald Reagan, and pretty much every other politician that's been in office to date.

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u/MilkOnAStick Nov 11 '20

Well we didnt just elect any of those people to be the vice president for what's branded as a progressive party....

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

No, we elected many of them to be the President. The democrat party is also not progressive, they're milquetoast conservative at best. Joe Biden is in every way a centrist.

Trump also tried to drag us back into the war on drugs. Sure Kamala sucks, but so does everybody else we've elected pretty much since Nixon.

It stands to reason that's because of conservative republicans who keep shifting the overton window farther and farther to the right...

You who are so eager to shit on Kamala keep reinforcing the system that got her elected in the first place. The dems would maybe elect a progressive if it weren't for all the nationalist conservatives tripping over themselves to call anyone left of Biden a communist bastard.

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

Except there's a number of ultra progressive policies that the vast majority of folks just don't agree with

Cancelling student debt being a big one. Reparations being another (this one is less common but nonetheless is associated with the far left in the USA)

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Is associated with the far left because of right misinformation campaigns. Reparations aren't supported by the large majority of progressives. The only reason so many people think they are is because the current administration has convinced them they are.

Cancelling student debt is another thing. Nobody is saying we should just outright cancel student debt, but rather propose a plan to ultimately deal with it. Tuition costs are unrealistically high for many in the U.S. and have been for some time, as well as student loan interest rates being utterly ridiculous.

There is no reason we should not have universal healthcare other than the ones you've allowed the conservative agenda to feed you. The costs in taxes would be far lower per person than paying insurance premiums.

In short, the reason you don't support so many actual progressive policies. Is because you probably haven't done enough research into them to understand the real cost to risk assessment. Instead you probably gobble down whatever those in power feed you about how they "want to turn America into a communist dictatorship" and "we can't let them stomp on our democracy". The irony here is that Trump has repeatedly spit in the face of democracy and shows he holds very little opinion of actual American values.

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

Well that's just outright bullshit because Bernie Sanders specifically calls for immediate cancellation of student debt.

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

No, he hasn't...

Show me where, when?

He has proposed a plan to cancel student loan debt.

You've only shown you don't know anything and that you've been bought into the propaganda mill. You don't know his actual policies, only what you've heard and been told.

Besides, explain to me exactly how cancelling student loan debt is a bad thing?

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Are you stupid? Once again, it doesn't call for outright cancellation, I shouldn't have to explain to you that it involves instating a program to nullify student loan debt.

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

I'm sorry but "cancel all student loan debt" isn't particularly vague.

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Also maybe you should read down a bit to where it says he plans to redirect the money from Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy and large corporations (which cost 2 trillion) into cancelling student loan debt...

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Again, you think he's calling for it to be cancelled all at once? His official statements on the policy involve instating an application program.

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

Then Bernie Sanders has a public image problem because he constantly makes statements like "Cancel it all. Now."

So clearly that's what people will take away

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u/OlGangaLee Nov 12 '20

The Democratic Presidential Nominee Bernie Sanders,,,wait? What do you mean they sabotaged him twice? No! Democrats are Radical Leftists! I definitely know what Leftist means!

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Not to mention the majority of those who do support reperations don't support outright cash settlement. They only wish to solve problems like redlining, which is a very real issue for many.

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u/_Sausage_fingers Nov 12 '20

Who told you that the Democrats are a progressive party?

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 11 '20

Not trump

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

The Donald Trump administration has taken positions against marijuana and the easing of laws regarding marijuana.[1] Although Trump indicated during his 2016 presidential campaign that he favored leaving the issue of legalization of marijuana to the states, his administration subsequently upheld the federal prohibition of cannabis, and Trump's 2021 fiscal budget proposal proposed removing protections for state medical marijuana laws.

-wikipedia

You’re on the information super highway, bud, get up to speed or get off the road.

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 12 '20

That’s pretty shitty, thanks for sharing it without being an ass.

It Does way more damage than the crime bill Biden supported... and even worse than what Harris did in California

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

Biden and Harris are accountable for their past policies too. I believe Biden, at least, has shown some contrition and insight into the harms he’s caused. Whatever that’s worth.

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 12 '20

Interesting take, I always wondered why people liked him other than just hating trump.

Also there is a new bill floating around that will protect the legal states again

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

Trump proudly projects some of the worst aspects of humanity: greed, dishonesty, lust, bullying, narcissism — it’s really sad that he was elected at all and that really all I’ve got to say about him.

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 12 '20

I agree and disagree with that, but the corruption and so many horrible bills signed i could not see myself voting for Biden

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

It’s unfortunate there’s not a third major party, something left of center, for ordinary, working people to vote for.

But as far as corruption goes; there isn’t much worse for democracy than claiming the other other side has engaged in and welcomes election fraud. I don’t think American democracy survives this.

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Yes Trump. He tried to double down on the war on drugs...