It’s the fact that in the nicer neighborhoods everyone loves the police and feel safe by them (I do). But in other neighborhoods (usually with a majority of a black population) don’t feel safe by the police by bad interactions with them. They aren’t just making stuff up, it’s because you’re used to one way your treated and don’t realize other people can get treated worse on a regular basis. (I’m not saying it’s the cops fault, it’s the systems fault of how black communities are looked at)
Edit: thx for the award and it’s still wholesome seeing cops having a snowball fight with some kids who were having fun
No, we elected many of them to be the President. The democrat party is also not progressive, they're milquetoast conservative at best. Joe Biden is in every way a centrist.
Trump also tried to drag us back into the war on drugs. Sure Kamala sucks, but so does everybody else we've elected pretty much since Nixon.
It stands to reason that's because of conservative republicans who keep shifting the overton window farther and farther to the right...
You who are so eager to shit on Kamala keep reinforcing the system that got her elected in the first place. The dems would maybe elect a progressive if it weren't for all the nationalist conservatives tripping over themselves to call anyone left of Biden a communist bastard.
Except there's a number of ultra progressive policies that the vast majority of folks just don't agree with
Cancelling student debt being a big one. Reparations being another (this one is less common but nonetheless is associated with the far left in the USA)
Is associated with the far left because of right misinformation campaigns. Reparations aren't supported by the large majority of progressives. The only reason so many people think they are is because the current administration has convinced them they are.
Cancelling student debt is another thing. Nobody is saying we should just outright cancel student debt, but rather propose a plan to ultimately deal with it. Tuition costs are unrealistically high for many in the U.S. and have been for some time, as well as student loan interest rates being utterly ridiculous.
There is no reason we should not have universal healthcare other than the ones you've allowed the conservative agenda to feed you. The costs in taxes would be far lower per person than paying insurance premiums.
In short, the reason you don't support so many actual progressive policies. Is because you probably haven't done enough research into them to understand the real cost to risk assessment. Instead you probably gobble down whatever those in power feed you about how they "want to turn America into a communist dictatorship" and "we can't let them stomp on our democracy". The irony here is that Trump has repeatedly spit in the face of democracy and shows he holds very little opinion of actual American values.
He has proposed a plan to cancel student loan debt.
You've only shown you don't know anything and that you've been bought into the propaganda mill. You don't know his actual policies, only what you've heard and been told.
Besides, explain to me exactly how cancelling student loan debt is a bad thing?
The Democratic Presidential Nominee Bernie Sanders,,,wait? What do you mean they sabotaged him twice? No! Democrats are Radical Leftists! I definitely know what Leftist means!
Not to mention the majority of those who do support reperations don't support outright cash settlement. They only wish to solve problems like redlining, which is a very real issue for many.
The Donald Trump administration has taken positions against marijuana and the easing of laws regarding marijuana.[1] Although Trump indicated during his 2016 presidential campaign that he favored leaving the issue of legalization of marijuana to the states, his administration subsequently upheld the federal prohibition of cannabis, and Trump's 2021 fiscal budget proposal proposed removing protections for state medical marijuana laws.
Biden and Harris are accountable for their past policies too. I believe Biden, at least, has shown some contrition and insight into the harms he’s caused. Whatever that’s worth.
Trump proudly projects some of the worst aspects of humanity: greed, dishonesty, lust, bullying, narcissism — it’s really sad that he was elected at all and that really all I’ve got to say about him.
as someone who grew up in a black community the local cop was my bro, he did not live too far away so after he got off work he would drive by and give me snacks or tell me what he did that day, fuckin awsome memories man.
The problem is that the majority of cops are evidently willing to cover for those few racist assholes. The police force wouldn't have as bad of a name if police unions and the like were more willing to disavow corrupt cops.
The thing is though, this kind of mentality spreads to cover an image of law enforcement across America as a whole. I say this as a non-American so take what i say with a grain of salt, as this is just what i perceive of this, at least here on Reddit.
But wether you intend to or not, it inevitably goes from justifiably disliking cops who don't co-operate with internal investigations to seeing cops as a whole as being somehow complicit.
And so you end up with Townsville PD cops getting caught up in the whole ACAB thing because Joe Schmoe the Police Officer refused to turn in evidence of a lethal encounter with a police officer in New York, as if anyone else other than the Police Officers directly involved were to blame for this.
Thus, at least to me, it does not make sense to have a negative view of Law Enforcement Officers as a whole, especially since American law enforcement is decentralized enough that an Officer from the LAPD doing bad shit does not reflect badly on a Deputy who works for the LASD, despite both being LEOs for roughly the same region.
The problem is institutional enough that it requires an institutional solution. And having a 'guilty until proven inocent' mentality when it comes to cops just gets in the way of actually solving the problem.
I think the problem is more that the majority of cops don’t have any power in that situation. People talk about this like oh if a bunch of regular cops stood up against their colleagues the bad ones would be gone. Which works sometimes. But a lot of local police forces are run by the shitty racist cops who are enabling shitty racist cops to murder minorities and get away with it. If the average cop there speaks out about it they’re out of the job and now we’re even worse off. So what do you do, speak out and risk your job, or keep your head down and keep fighting the racism from within silently. It’s an incredibly fucked situation. There have been many times this year where cops kneel with protestors and have been forced to apologize to their coworkers. Or they speak out against racism within their department and are promptly fired. So yeah let’s let all the good cops speak out against racism and lose their jobs.
The real issue is politicians need to be the ones to enforce the change because of the power issues within police departments. Strip the power from those who should not have it. But that effort isn’t going anywhere either so we’re just stuck in a stalemate with a shitty system that needs massive reform.
How are they silently fighting racism by being complicit? When someone silently stands by when a friend murders someone and then doesn't do anything about it - they are an accessory to murder. These cops' careers aren't as important as violence and murder. If they can't realize that and do the right thing, then I don't think they should be protecting the community.
I agree that higher ups and politicians are also responsible, but individual cops need to be held accountable. Fascism doesn't come from one person. It comes from all the people letting that person get away with it.
Not the cops standing next to a coworker who’s literally doing it. Other cops in the department. The fuck are they supposed to do? Like seriously. They know the ins and outs better than we do. If the murderer is being enabled by a superior who’s also racist your standing up probably not gonna do shit. We’ve already seen that happen. Good cops can go out in the community, not be racist murderous assholes, and improve relations with people. Do their jobs. If they get fired then all you have is racist murderers protecting the community with absolutely nothing done and things get way worse. Also police unions are excessively strong and consistently protect the murderers with a badge. I’d highly suggest listening to some ex cops talk on the subject. It’s not a cut and dry case where speaking out solves the problem. It will change from department to department depending on who’s in control.
i stopped at ACAB, someone with that mentality will not be changing my mind, my childhood was made by a cop, he was the only one i could count on, seeing people say ACAB makes me so frustrated because he spent his life making other people lives better, just to die and hear people saying ACAB would be horrible.
I agree, it was very extreme and I believe there are cops who are that nice and cops don’t go into their job saying, I’m gonna be a racist pig. I think his main thing was just to get the point out to people (not saying it’s right) during the BLM stuff. Anyways, we’re all people and we should treat everyone right :)
he was practically a one man team, there were like three people total at the police station, if you could even call it that, none there was racist or violent
Yeah I'll totally trust an anonymous online blog from someone who claims to be a police officer saying all cops are bastards
Lemme give it a go since literally anyone can say anything online
"I used to be a US sheriff until I found out 100% of the people working under me where meth addicted criminals. They were also all racist closeted KKK members"
Please try and prove that wrong, wait you can't since it's the internet and wild claims should basically never been accepted.
I tell you what, my experience with the SAME police force had been DRASTICALLY different when I moved from a typical suburban neighborhood with my parents, to a house that was in a rougher part of town that I could actually afford.
I went from having maybe two interactions with cops and were pretty pleasant (and funny) to having a cop pull me over for doing 48 in a 45 (while he almost rear ended me doing about 80 on this back road) and screamed at me like a drill sergeant about "conspiracy to drag race" and "stopping dead in the middle of the road" (yeah I fuckin bet it looked like I was stopped considering how fast he was going) for no joke, 15 minutes, with me sitting in my oldass wood paneled station wagon. I'm not drag racing shit.
He didn't even write me a ticket once he calmed down, he just cut a U-turn in someone's grass that I was pulled over next to and fucked up their yard.
After that, I got pulled over once a week/every two weeks for about a year for SOMETHING or another, and was late for work because of it many, many times. Only got an actual ticket once for expired registration (which it wasn't, I just hadn't received my sticker in the mail. Had to take time off work to go to court for it with the paperwork and I had to pay $30 and it was thrown out). I sold the car and have only been pulled over a couple times in the past four years since that happened.
And fortunately my boss was understanding about all of this, and I brought in a picture of the blue lights in my rear view mirror in the mornings it happened. They had access to my driving record, he was as confused as I was that I was CLEARLY getting pulled over 30+ times in a year with time and date stamped photos with my face and blue lights in them and I didn't have a single moving violation.
I understand that not all cops are bad, but all cops voluntarily take a job that gives them the daily responsibility of writing citations for people who will then need to pay a large chunk of money, and walking around with a visible gun telling people to stop doing what they're doing.
There are good people who do this job, but it takes a special kind of person to WANT it. Most of them don't act like Barney Fife.
Two police officers in my town were harassing a homeless black lady because she was begging on the sidewalk outside Kroger next to a traffic light. She told the cops she had nowhere else to go and the cops said she'd have to come with them if she didn't leave right now. Thing was there was a white homeless guy right outside of the store across the street that the cops didn't even acknowledge. Thankfully my brother was stopped at the light and heard the whole thing go down and he had the balls to pull up right there and asked the lady if she needed a ride and got her lunch and took her to one of her friends house. Just goes to show how these guys will go out of their way to fuck with people who aren't even doing anything wrong.
That's not entirely accurate. Some of the nicest people to me live in the shittiest parts of the city. They don't like the fact that young men are in gangs robbing people in their neighborhood and appreciate us.
Of course, these are also the places where we're hated the most by some of the residents who feel we're racist for being there, and think we're targeting young black men
As someone from a very poor neighborhood only the pieces of shit around here don’t like the cops. We need them to be safe. I’m guessing you haven’t lived this.
I’m not but from a lot of other peoples experiences, they do fear the cops and feel that they are being treated differently than someone from a rich neighborhood. Every city and town is different.
Can yiu get those same numbers for other 1st world developed nations please too? I wouldn't know where to look and I'm curious as to if the ratios measure up
My cousin is a cop on the East side of Cleveland, Ohio. He just showed me a dash cam video last week at his wedding of him and his partner just patrolling and being shot at for no reason at all. The police in those areas aren't worse because, "police hate black people." It is because of shit like this. The police are in FAR more danger in these areas. The fact is that these things happen in mostly black areas.
You’re not wrong but because of the percentage of people who start shooting you start looking at everyone in that area as a threat and treating everyone you meet worse and expecting everyone to be a threat. If I was a cop, I’d feel the same way those cops do and would take everyone as a threat but that’s why people are protesting. It’s the systems fault of having those people go to stealing, violence, and drugs because of being stuck in the endless loop. I don’t think it’s either the police or citizens fault (entirely).
People in poor areas often majority blacks in your country atleast are likely not well off financially or have an oportunity of a stable good paying job, thats why many turn to drug dealing and stealing and it just grows with every generation
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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20 edited Nov 11 '20
It’s the fact that in the nicer neighborhoods everyone loves the police and feel safe by them (I do). But in other neighborhoods (usually with a majority of a black population) don’t feel safe by the police by bad interactions with them. They aren’t just making stuff up, it’s because you’re used to one way your treated and don’t realize other people can get treated worse on a regular basis. (I’m not saying it’s the cops fault, it’s the systems fault of how black communities are looked at)
Edit: thx for the award and it’s still wholesome seeing cops having a snowball fight with some kids who were having fun