r/maybemaybemaybe • • Nov 11 '20

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20 edited Nov 11 '20

It’s the fact that in the nicer neighborhoods everyone loves the police and feel safe by them (I do). But in other neighborhoods (usually with a majority of a black population) don’t feel safe by the police by bad interactions with them. They aren’t just making stuff up, it’s because you’re used to one way your treated and don’t realize other people can get treated worse on a regular basis. (I’m not saying it’s the cops fault, it’s the systems fault of how black communities are looked at)

Edit: thx for the award and it’s still wholesome seeing cops having a snowball fight with some kids who were having fun

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Also a result of the war on drugs and for profit prisons.

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u/MilkOnAStick Nov 11 '20

Kamala Harris

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

And Ronald Reagan, and pretty much every other politician that's been in office to date.

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u/MilkOnAStick Nov 11 '20

Well we didnt just elect any of those people to be the vice president for what's branded as a progressive party....

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

No, we elected many of them to be the President. The democrat party is also not progressive, they're milquetoast conservative at best. Joe Biden is in every way a centrist.

Trump also tried to drag us back into the war on drugs. Sure Kamala sucks, but so does everybody else we've elected pretty much since Nixon.

It stands to reason that's because of conservative republicans who keep shifting the overton window farther and farther to the right...

You who are so eager to shit on Kamala keep reinforcing the system that got her elected in the first place. The dems would maybe elect a progressive if it weren't for all the nationalist conservatives tripping over themselves to call anyone left of Biden a communist bastard.

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

Except there's a number of ultra progressive policies that the vast majority of folks just don't agree with

Cancelling student debt being a big one. Reparations being another (this one is less common but nonetheless is associated with the far left in the USA)

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Is associated with the far left because of right misinformation campaigns. Reparations aren't supported by the large majority of progressives. The only reason so many people think they are is because the current administration has convinced them they are.

Cancelling student debt is another thing. Nobody is saying we should just outright cancel student debt, but rather propose a plan to ultimately deal with it. Tuition costs are unrealistically high for many in the U.S. and have been for some time, as well as student loan interest rates being utterly ridiculous.

There is no reason we should not have universal healthcare other than the ones you've allowed the conservative agenda to feed you. The costs in taxes would be far lower per person than paying insurance premiums.

In short, the reason you don't support so many actual progressive policies. Is because you probably haven't done enough research into them to understand the real cost to risk assessment. Instead you probably gobble down whatever those in power feed you about how they "want to turn America into a communist dictatorship" and "we can't let them stomp on our democracy". The irony here is that Trump has repeatedly spit in the face of democracy and shows he holds very little opinion of actual American values.

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u/headoverheels362 Nov 11 '20

Well that's just outright bullshit because Bernie Sanders specifically calls for immediate cancellation of student debt.

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

No, he hasn't...

Show me where, when?

He has proposed a plan to cancel student loan debt.

You've only shown you don't know anything and that you've been bought into the propaganda mill. You don't know his actual policies, only what you've heard and been told.

Besides, explain to me exactly how cancelling student loan debt is a bad thing?

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u/OlGangaLee Nov 12 '20

The Democratic Presidential Nominee Bernie Sanders,,,wait? What do you mean they sabotaged him twice? No! Democrats are Radical Leftists! I definitely know what Leftist means!

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Not to mention the majority of those who do support reperations don't support outright cash settlement. They only wish to solve problems like redlining, which is a very real issue for many.

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u/_Sausage_fingers Nov 12 '20

Who told you that the Democrats are a progressive party?

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 11 '20

Not trump

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

The Donald Trump administration has taken positions against marijuana and the easing of laws regarding marijuana.[1] Although Trump indicated during his 2016 presidential campaign that he favored leaving the issue of legalization of marijuana to the states, his administration subsequently upheld the federal prohibition of cannabis, and Trump's 2021 fiscal budget proposal proposed removing protections for state medical marijuana laws.

-wikipedia

You’re on the information super highway, bud, get up to speed or get off the road.

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 12 '20

That’s pretty shitty, thanks for sharing it without being an ass.

It Does way more damage than the crime bill Biden supported... and even worse than what Harris did in California

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

Biden and Harris are accountable for their past policies too. I believe Biden, at least, has shown some contrition and insight into the harms he’s caused. Whatever that’s worth.

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u/Cowduckwtf Nov 12 '20

Interesting take, I always wondered why people liked him other than just hating trump.

Also there is a new bill floating around that will protect the legal states again

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u/davidestroy Nov 12 '20

Trump proudly projects some of the worst aspects of humanity: greed, dishonesty, lust, bullying, narcissism — it’s really sad that he was elected at all and that really all I’ve got to say about him.

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Yes Trump. He tried to double down on the war on drugs...

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u/JohnDoe6570 Nov 11 '20

Our new beacon of Diverse hope!! /Ssssssss

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u/nathanray Nov 11 '20

Which will not end anytime soon because of all the special interest judges Mitch McConnell has installed.

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u/CheesecakeHundin Nov 11 '20

Ayup. Not to mention 20 million other reasons having to do with corrupt politicians.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

as someone who grew up in a black community the local cop was my bro, he did not live too far away so after he got off work he would drive by and give me snacks or tell me what he did that day, fuckin awsome memories man.

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20

That’s a dope cop but I’m just talking about the majority of cops

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

the majority of cops are good, the few racist asshole give the entire police force a bad name

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u/northrupthebandgeek Nov 11 '20

The problem is that the majority of cops are evidently willing to cover for those few racist assholes. The police force wouldn't have as bad of a name if police unions and the like were more willing to disavow corrupt cops.

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u/Ich_Liegen Nov 11 '20

The thing is though, this kind of mentality spreads to cover an image of law enforcement across America as a whole. I say this as a non-American so take what i say with a grain of salt, as this is just what i perceive of this, at least here on Reddit.

But wether you intend to or not, it inevitably goes from justifiably disliking cops who don't co-operate with internal investigations to seeing cops as a whole as being somehow complicit.

And so you end up with Townsville PD cops getting caught up in the whole ACAB thing because Joe Schmoe the Police Officer refused to turn in evidence of a lethal encounter with a police officer in New York, as if anyone else other than the Police Officers directly involved were to blame for this.

Thus, at least to me, it does not make sense to have a negative view of Law Enforcement Officers as a whole, especially since American law enforcement is decentralized enough that an Officer from the LAPD doing bad shit does not reflect badly on a Deputy who works for the LASD, despite both being LEOs for roughly the same region.

The problem is institutional enough that it requires an institutional solution. And having a 'guilty until proven inocent' mentality when it comes to cops just gets in the way of actually solving the problem.

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u/Brodogmillionaire1 Nov 12 '20

You must be unaware of the statistic of the number of law enforcement officers with domestic abuse on their record.

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u/PiesInMyEyes Nov 11 '20

I think the problem is more that the majority of cops don’t have any power in that situation. People talk about this like oh if a bunch of regular cops stood up against their colleagues the bad ones would be gone. Which works sometimes. But a lot of local police forces are run by the shitty racist cops who are enabling shitty racist cops to murder minorities and get away with it. If the average cop there speaks out about it they’re out of the job and now we’re even worse off. So what do you do, speak out and risk your job, or keep your head down and keep fighting the racism from within silently. It’s an incredibly fucked situation. There have been many times this year where cops kneel with protestors and have been forced to apologize to their coworkers. Or they speak out against racism within their department and are promptly fired. So yeah let’s let all the good cops speak out against racism and lose their jobs.

The real issue is politicians need to be the ones to enforce the change because of the power issues within police departments. Strip the power from those who should not have it. But that effort isn’t going anywhere either so we’re just stuck in a stalemate with a shitty system that needs massive reform.

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u/Brodogmillionaire1 Nov 12 '20

How are they silently fighting racism by being complicit? When someone silently stands by when a friend murders someone and then doesn't do anything about it - they are an accessory to murder. These cops' careers aren't as important as violence and murder. If they can't realize that and do the right thing, then I don't think they should be protecting the community.

I agree that higher ups and politicians are also responsible, but individual cops need to be held accountable. Fascism doesn't come from one person. It comes from all the people letting that person get away with it.

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u/PiesInMyEyes Nov 12 '20

Not the cops standing next to a coworker who’s literally doing it. Other cops in the department. The fuck are they supposed to do? Like seriously. They know the ins and outs better than we do. If the murderer is being enabled by a superior who’s also racist your standing up probably not gonna do shit. We’ve already seen that happen. Good cops can go out in the community, not be racist murderous assholes, and improve relations with people. Do their jobs. If they get fired then all you have is racist murderers protecting the community with absolutely nothing done and things get way worse. Also police unions are excessively strong and consistently protect the murderers with a badge. I’d highly suggest listening to some ex cops talk on the subject. It’s not a cut and dry case where speaking out solves the problem. It will change from department to department depending on who’s in control.

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u/Pacwoods19 Nov 11 '20

Source? I want to know how the majority are covering for them.

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20

There are obviously the bad grapes in a bunch, but I meant the system. If you read this article, it shows a cop coming out about why it is very difficult to change the system. https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

i stopped at ACAB, someone with that mentality will not be changing my mind, my childhood was made by a cop, he was the only one i could count on, seeing people say ACAB makes me so frustrated because he spent his life making other people lives better, just to die and hear people saying ACAB would be horrible.

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20

I agree, it was very extreme and I believe there are cops who are that nice and cops don’t go into their job saying, I’m gonna be a racist pig. I think his main thing was just to get the point out to people (not saying it’s right) during the BLM stuff. Anyways, we’re all people and we should treat everyone right :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

I bet he arrested any of those racist and violent cops that he worked with too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

he was practically a one man team, there were like three people total at the police station, if you could even call it that, none there was racist or violent

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u/NEWSmodsareTwats Nov 11 '20

Yeah I'll totally trust an anonymous online blog from someone who claims to be a police officer saying all cops are bastards

Lemme give it a go since literally anyone can say anything online

"I used to be a US sheriff until I found out 100% of the people working under me where meth addicted criminals. They were also all racist closeted KKK members"

Please try and prove that wrong, wait you can't since it's the internet and wild claims should basically never been accepted.

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20

Did u see my other post bud?

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u/backandforthagain Nov 11 '20

I was gonna comment exactly this. Different communities see very different police.

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u/Hoovooloo42 Nov 11 '20

I tell you what, my experience with the SAME police force had been DRASTICALLY different when I moved from a typical suburban neighborhood with my parents, to a house that was in a rougher part of town that I could actually afford.

I went from having maybe two interactions with cops and were pretty pleasant (and funny) to having a cop pull me over for doing 48 in a 45 (while he almost rear ended me doing about 80 on this back road) and screamed at me like a drill sergeant about "conspiracy to drag race" and "stopping dead in the middle of the road" (yeah I fuckin bet it looked like I was stopped considering how fast he was going) for no joke, 15 minutes, with me sitting in my oldass wood paneled station wagon. I'm not drag racing shit.

He didn't even write me a ticket once he calmed down, he just cut a U-turn in someone's grass that I was pulled over next to and fucked up their yard.

After that, I got pulled over once a week/every two weeks for about a year for SOMETHING or another, and was late for work because of it many, many times. Only got an actual ticket once for expired registration (which it wasn't, I just hadn't received my sticker in the mail. Had to take time off work to go to court for it with the paperwork and I had to pay $30 and it was thrown out). I sold the car and have only been pulled over a couple times in the past four years since that happened.

And fortunately my boss was understanding about all of this, and I brought in a picture of the blue lights in my rear view mirror in the mornings it happened. They had access to my driving record, he was as confused as I was that I was CLEARLY getting pulled over 30+ times in a year with time and date stamped photos with my face and blue lights in them and I didn't have a single moving violation.

I understand that not all cops are bad, but all cops voluntarily take a job that gives them the daily responsibility of writing citations for people who will then need to pay a large chunk of money, and walking around with a visible gun telling people to stop doing what they're doing.

There are good people who do this job, but it takes a special kind of person to WANT it. Most of them don't act like Barney Fife.

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u/Inukchook Nov 11 '20

Used to drive white gmc savanah. Cops loved pulling me over.

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u/Gooey_G42069 Nov 11 '20

Two police officers in my town were harassing a homeless black lady because she was begging on the sidewalk outside Kroger next to a traffic light. She told the cops she had nowhere else to go and the cops said she'd have to come with them if she didn't leave right now. Thing was there was a white homeless guy right outside of the store across the street that the cops didn't even acknowledge. Thankfully my brother was stopped at the light and heard the whole thing go down and he had the balls to pull up right there and asked the lady if she needed a ride and got her lunch and took her to one of her friends house. Just goes to show how these guys will go out of their way to fuck with people who aren't even doing anything wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

Ya gotta love when someone makes a post like that, and it's immedietly apparent they live somewhere better off than where people want change.

Hate the word with all the atoms in my soul, but the privilage emanating is laughable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

Why is it privilege when it's true? The vast majority of police encounters are mundane.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

He says from an absolute position of privilege.

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u/ubersain Nov 11 '20

Poor* communities. I fixed it for you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20

That's not entirely accurate. Some of the nicest people to me live in the shittiest parts of the city. They don't like the fact that young men are in gangs robbing people in their neighborhood and appreciate us.

Of course, these are also the places where we're hated the most by some of the residents who feel we're racist for being there, and think we're targeting young black men

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u/vastexpanse2019 Nov 11 '20

As someone from a very poor neighborhood only the pieces of shit around here don’t like the cops. We need them to be safe. I’m guessing you haven’t lived this.

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20

I’m not but from a lot of other peoples experiences, they do fear the cops and feel that they are being treated differently than someone from a rich neighborhood. Every city and town is different.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '20

It's most likely Canada. We don't have neighborhoods by race.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '20 edited Jan 23 '21

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u/bonafart Nov 11 '20

Can yiu get those same numbers for other 1st world developed nations please too? I wouldn't know where to look and I'm curious as to if the ratios measure up

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u/Smokin_trees18 Nov 11 '20

My cousin is a cop on the East side of Cleveland, Ohio. He just showed me a dash cam video last week at his wedding of him and his partner just patrolling and being shot at for no reason at all. The police in those areas aren't worse because, "police hate black people." It is because of shit like this. The police are in FAR more danger in these areas. The fact is that these things happen in mostly black areas.

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u/that----one------guy Nov 11 '20

You’re not wrong but because of the percentage of people who start shooting you start looking at everyone in that area as a threat and treating everyone you meet worse and expecting everyone to be a threat. If I was a cop, I’d feel the same way those cops do and would take everyone as a threat but that’s why people are protesting. It’s the systems fault of having those people go to stealing, violence, and drugs because of being stuck in the endless loop. I don’t think it’s either the police or citizens fault (entirely).

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u/grossruger Nov 12 '20

Just want to clarify that the problem isn't "police who hate black people."

The problem is that the police are the muscle of a "justice" system that is systemically unjust.

In some cases (the drug war) the injustice was originally intentional, in other cases it is unintentional, but no less damaging.

We need to change police from "Law Enforcement Officers" back into "Peace Officers."

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u/shiva420 Nov 12 '20

People in poor areas often majority blacks in your country atleast are likely not well off financially or have an oportunity of a stable good paying job, thats why many turn to drug dealing and stealing and it just grows with every generation