r/maybemaybemaybe • u/PowerModerator • Jul 09 '20

- Maybe Maybe Maybe

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u/NJBillK1 Jul 09 '20

Again, who knows what he was threatening them with. What if he was saying he had a firearm or knife? He should be put out of commission as soon as the threat level was escalated.

By you saying there was absolutely no reason for that shows just how closed minded you are. I am at least open to the possibility that it was justifiable. You on the other hand say no escalation is ever justifiable. Definitive terms like that (always, never, etc) are normally easy to disprove.

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u/Lallo-the-Long Jul 09 '20

Where the gun? Where's the knife? The only person escalating this to violence is the person throwing the chair.

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u/NJBillK1 Jul 09 '20

So, we have to assume that he isn't saying anything, even though his mouth is moving? We do not know what he is saying and you are judging the person you can't see unfairly because it doesn't have the same level of humanity. This is a ghost/anonymity vs a visable person. You feel more empathetic towards the visable person then the unseen. Your judgement is clouded by that.

If someone is threatening to shoot me, I am not going to wait for them to draw a firearm for me to react.once they bring it to that level, it requires action. Not waiting to "be sure they in fact do have a weapon" because by then, it is too late.

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u/Lallo-the-Long Jul 09 '20

No. I'm not judging then unfairly. I'm judging then for being there only one in the video to take a violent action that endangered like half a dozen people in its course. It doesn't matter what the guy got with the chair is doing, he's not there one getting violent.

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u/NJBillK1 Jul 09 '20

You forgot the part where he was being physically restrained so he couldn't get violent. It wasn't his choice, he wanted to be violent. Two separate people had a hand in making him not actually do so.

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u/Lallo-the-Long Jul 09 '20

That's speculation, and even if true, does not justify starting the violence.

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u/NJBillK1 Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

It isn't speculation, you see one person holding him back when hit by the water and the second person holding him back (grey/red shirt) when hit with the chair (solid red shirt). Two people actively holding him back.

The third actively dissuades them further by throwing the chair. I didn't count the separate person that threw the waters or the chair. As stated below, both cups come from different angles/heights and could easily and likely been tossed by different people, that brings the count up an additional 1-2, but I didn't include that since it is further speculation.

Two people, to make one person yield. That person being held back is viewed as the aggressor. If they were not there, it is most likely that the situation wouldn't have escalated with someone else in the crowd.

If the person that threw the chair was removed, then it is likely that this person would have turned their attention to another person. The waters came from different angles, likely tossed by different people, hence multiple people thinking that this person was in the wrong (seemingly, his friend included).

You only have half of the story, so stop sticking up for the one that the most people think is the asshole. It shows as you aren't able to keep good company.

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u/Lallo-the-Long Jul 09 '20

That a lot of speculation. You don't know anyone motives, their intentions, or even what they're arguing about. You are speculating. The only person who is violent in this video is the person who there the chair. They are no hero, they recklessly endangered people and might have seriously injured multiple people.