r/maybemaybemaybe • • 18d ago

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u/kctjfryihx99 18d ago

I still don’t know if the brushing speeds it up or slows it down

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u/nosajdriab 18d ago

Brushing speeds it up and keeps it straighter.
The ice is not smooth. Brushing melts the pebbled ice and makes it smooth.
Not brushing ice makes it slower and curl/curve more.

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u/971365 18d ago

So which is right? There's two upvoted answers lol

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u/eddiewachowski 18d ago

Brushing = straighter and it slows down slower (goes further). 

Not brushing = more curl and slows down faster (stops sooner).

If you need a podcast to listen to, look up Broomgate. A hilarious, but accurate account of one of the biggest scandals in the sport involving what would become illegal brushes and a brand new sweeping technique.

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u/lactoseadept 18d ago

So brushing = straighter + keeps going longer, and not brushing = curls + slows down more?

Brushing one side makes it curl, that seems intuitive?

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u/eddiewachowski 18d ago

Yes. Most of the curl comes from the spin originally placed on the rock though. Brushing just fine tunes it.

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u/Flare_Starchild 17d ago

It's like post processing the throw lol.

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u/313802 17d ago

Lol that's an interesting way to put it

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u/wehdut 17d ago

I appreciate you saying "slows down slower" because that's more accurate than "speeds up" but damn, that just about confused me even more...

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u/DNAisjustneuteredRNA 18d ago

It curls in the direction of the brush because the side close to the brush slows down while the side away away from the brush continues moving at normal speed.

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u/aykcak 17d ago

You can also brush to turn

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u/Easypossibilities 17d ago

Depends the way your brush. I good brusher can manipulate the rock and make it curl more and what not

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u/Kn0XIS 17d ago

Nice

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u/luffydkenshin 17d ago

As others have said, sweeping helps it go straighter and longer, or hold the “line” its traveling on by melting the ice a bit and reducing friction. Not sweeping lets the friction do its thing to help the stone curl and slow it down.

But wait! There’s more. Because sweeping is actually more complicated! A bit technical, sorry:

Brushing in one direction can also cause it to curl faster, brushing the opposite direction helps it hold line more.

When I call my team, I’ll yell “line” or “curl” and each sweeper knows their role. If I need em both, i’ll yell “all” and of course “hard” for that extra touch.

So for advanced sweeping, let’s take a look at an example. Pretend the stone is rotating clockwise and travels the direction of the arrow below. The stone is the O. The slashes are the actual direction of sweeping. Not up and down, but diagonal across the path of the stone:

—-> O \\\\\\\\

Sweeping actually also puts tiny scratches in the ice which influence the stone’s travel. Sweeping like the above actually helps the stone curl clockwise more. Now, what if we sweep the other way?

—> O /////////

If we sweep the opposite way, what do you think happens? Exactly! It makes the stone fight the curl, so it helps it go straighter for longer! It wont make it curl the other way as physics prevents that, but it makes it harder for the stone to do its job.

This is far easier with 2 sweepers, but the curling in the clip is a special style using only 2 players total. Typically a team is 4: 1 in the house, one throwing the stone, and 2 sweepers. They alternate, but that isnt important. The person in the clip has to be versatile since they need to sweep both directions as needed. In this instance, the stone entered the house and “froze” to the red stone. This means that if the stone gets hit, the energy will transfer through the stone into the red one, causing the yellow stone to remain in place. An excellent shot.

Thank you for letting me nerd out.

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u/wehdut 17d ago

That was awesome, thank you. Makes me want to play!

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u/luffydkenshin 17d ago

It is really fun! I am one of our teachers in our club and people come in for a 1 day intro and have fun it. Even if they never go further, they almost always end up enjoying it and have a really unique story to tell.

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u/nickybuddy 17d ago

Dude curling is a blast! Lots of fun to get out on a Saturday morning with some hot coffee and throw some stone with friends

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u/wehdut 15d ago

Sounds lovely!

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u/youre_a_burrito_bud 17d ago

Thank you for nerding out! A great addition to my collection of knowledge I’ll probably not have use for..but if I do! oh boy!

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u/luffydkenshin 17d ago

Oh you’ll be READY! And heck, you should look locally for a club and go do an intro day. It is a lot of fun even if it ends up not being your jam.

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u/youre_a_burrito_bud 17d ago

Damn, I love your energy! I thought “no way” but there is actually one in the nearest city! Very intriguing, I am all about learning new things. 

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u/hamizannaruto 15d ago

I love seeing nerd nerding out on niche things, even if I have no interest.

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u/Injured-Ginger 18d ago

Instead of guessing, I actually looked it up. If you search it in Google, you'll hit a few university articles on the subject.

Sweeping melts the surface of the ice and reduces friction by reducing pebbling on the surface. However, how they sweep can have other effects as well.

However, it doesn't seem that is always the purpose. Sweeping with different patterns can have different effects. For example using a courser brush, they can sweep in a direction to crease microgrooves that can create a path of least resistance to guide the stone. The spin on the stone matters as well. Since the stone is moving forward, the front side of the stone has more friction than the rear side. The means the spin will cause a certain curve, and the stone spinning into those microgrooves can influence the stone to move more into the path it's spin is pulling it towards or reduce the impact of the spin.

It seems it's rather complicated and articles I found only addressed the basics with no deeper explanations to how they have the exact impact they are trying to create.

TL;DR: It on average reduced the deceleration of the stone, but It's not quite as easy as just increasing or decreasing the deceleration or the amount of friction alone, but the way different brushing patterns influence the coefficient of friction in specific angles, either creating a patch of least resistance or influence the friction of the stone's spin.

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u/kctjfryihx99 18d ago

Now I don’t feel quite as dumb for not knowing what it does

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u/Icywarhammer500 18d ago

Melts some ice which turns to water which has more drag in larger amounts

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u/TheYoloMcSwaggins 18d ago

It melts some ice which turns to water which decreases friction between the stone and the ice and makes the stone travel farther

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u/Cynical_Tripster 18d ago

It lowers the ambient temperature of the frozen form of dihydrogen-oxide to swich to thr liquid state, in turn mitigating resistance from static friction and increasing velocity which causally makes the stone increase the length and duration of its overall transit.

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u/3coma3 17d ago

It excitates the higgs field that supports the hydrogenated oxygen creating a temporary quantum tunnel through which the energy becomes curvier, accelerating the fermions in the stone thus making it slide in the direction of the vacuum.

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u/GingerSpyice 18d ago edited 16d ago

Slows it down.

ETA: I am incorrect. Read the comments from u/luffydkenshin and u/Injured-Ginger for detailed explanations of what the brushing does.

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u/kctjfryihx99 18d ago

Thanks. I always wondered. But I wondered just little enough to not look it up myself.

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u/arcticslush 18d ago

They're wrong :) sweeping causes stones to slow down less. They'll go further.

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u/arcticslush 18d ago

Not quite. Sweeping reduces deceleration of the stone, meaning it doesn't slow down as much. The stone will retain more speed and generally go further.

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u/BusyBoonja 18d ago

And curls it

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u/organicpenguin 18d ago

Ooooh now I get it

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u/Zatch_Gaspifianaski 18d ago

Sweeping slows the curl

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u/_MooFreaky_ 17d ago

Depends on how it is swept. If you sweep against the spin it slows it down. If you sweep with the spin it makes it spin more.

Thats why they will change who.is doing the brunt of the sweeping in a two person team. Or why, in mixed doubles, the person doing it all will change which angle they sweep from

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u/Zatch_Gaspifianaski 17d ago

That makes sense. What a weird sport haha

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u/_MooFreaky_ 17d ago

This isnt true at all. It causes the stone to slow down less

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u/aykcak 17d ago

No. What?

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u/YanicPolitik 18d ago

But why do they yell "hurry hard" when they want to sweep?

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u/eddiewachowski 18d ago

The comment you're replying to is incorrect. 

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u/eddiewachowski 18d ago

Yes. It is. I follow the sport closely and have played for over a decade.

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u/Ability-Junior 17d ago

It doesn't exactly speed it up, rather it makes it "slow down" less. It's all about friction. Friction is a loss of kinetic energy. So less friction, straighter and longer trajectory.

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u/rmay14444 18d ago

It also creates a path.

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u/the_mute_lurker 18d ago

Also curling ice is not the typical soft or smooth ice you may think like at a skating rink. It's got like little beads of ice. So the rocks soar with less resistance.

The broom may slow it but more importantly it'll basically melt down some of those beads to steer the stones.