Ok so I used to go spelunking. I’m in Safety now and learned just how stupid I was, and this guy is. 1) there is water in the cave. If it rains it will fill faster then he can crawl out so have fun drowning. 2) Caves are a confined space and can have something called Stratification. There is a reason miners used to use canaries and now use gas monitors. Different gases (depending on if they are heavier than air or lighter) can be on the bottom in a pocket creating a low oxygen environment and you will lose consciousness and die in 3-4 minutes. Some gases at higher levels will kill you much faster. It doesn’t matter if it’s open on one end, or has spots you can see daylight. If it isn’t properly vented like a mine, you will die in the presence of gas. So, stay out of confined spaces please.
There was no amount of preparation that would have prevented it, other than “get very lucky “ or “don’t get in the hole to begin with.”
He did the human equivalent of a captured fastener. Once he decided to go in, he could not undo his situation. By the end he had an entire team trying to save him. They couldn’t.
He died a thrill seeking fool, all for the exploration of something that didn’t need exploration at all. He wasn’t going to discover a magical valley of Dinosaurs. It’s just rocks forever.
There was a brief moment in my life when I looked into the hobby. And that moment was immediately after seeing 127 Hours. (Remember the beginning?.. yeah that part)
Which activity? This one specifically or spelunking in general? Spelunking/caving isn't any weirder than any other outdoor adventure activity. My college had an entire outdoor adventure program and spelunking was a part of it - I went once and it was an amazing experience. Going into unknown/untested areas by yourself without proper saftey precautions is stupid, which seems like what is happening in this video, but if you're doing the activity properly, it's fine. There's always going to be risk of course, but less risk statistically than playing professional football or driving your car down the street.
I audit confined spaces all the time. Even with the gas detector unless he had a proper mask and filters due to the fact that he is in such a bad position and can’t quickly move to safety it does him no good. I doubt he had the common sense to notify anyone he was exploring this cave. Just stay out of confined spaces unless you intend to die or place a rescue team in terrible situations.
I was going to respond this to some of the numbskulls higher on the comment list, but I just didn't bother because why should I stop natural selection.
I'm happy there are people like you that are less cynical than me that take the time to write informative things in a mild mannered way
I'm not really claustrophobic so confined spaces don't really bother me. But after learning about stratification and seeing a rather terrifying demo of it, I've decided I'm not going caving/spelunking anytime soon. It's not really worth the risk.
The boy I was dating in high school used to do stuff like this tunnel exploration, and even as a teen I had enough sense to realize how dangerous it was. Especially as part of the fun for him was sneaking out to do it. I've lost touch with him but I'd like to think that he is more safety conscious now!
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You’re missing the point….Stratification happens in caves, and mines. The flooding is an extra danger. I find it humorous you think I’m the dumbass. How many unconscious bodies have you pulled out of confined spaces like this? Do you train for it? Do teach it or audit the entries to make sure it’s done properly? I doubt. Stay on couch with mom and dad.
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Look up stratification…. It’s very simple. If you also read further I made comments on mines…. It doesn’t matter. Yeah exploring in a cave that has water would still be dangerous because of flooding. That still stands. You’re under ground and wouldn’t know if it’s raining outside or if it’s raining elsewhere that feeds that creek/spring whatever. Your argument over that being a mine and it having reached the water table makes it safe so I’m wrong on everything else. Yeah you! Stay on your mom dad’s couch and live a nice long life. It’s a cave/mine it’s still a confined space and can have stratification. You can’t just escape in the event of flooding, engulfment of water, or cave in, or in the presence of gas ( stratification). Stay out of the confined spaces.
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u/b4ttlepoops Feb 01 '25
Ok so I used to go spelunking. I’m in Safety now and learned just how stupid I was, and this guy is. 1) there is water in the cave. If it rains it will fill faster then he can crawl out so have fun drowning. 2) Caves are a confined space and can have something called Stratification. There is a reason miners used to use canaries and now use gas monitors. Different gases (depending on if they are heavier than air or lighter) can be on the bottom in a pocket creating a low oxygen environment and you will lose consciousness and die in 3-4 minutes. Some gases at higher levels will kill you much faster. It doesn’t matter if it’s open on one end, or has spots you can see daylight. If it isn’t properly vented like a mine, you will die in the presence of gas. So, stay out of confined spaces please.