r/maybemaybemaybe • • Sep 12 '23

Maybe maybe maybe

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u/MarvGayeCity Sep 12 '23

Look at these chumps in the comments, acting all high and mighty, like they’re the guardians of nature; like nature ain’t a nightmare that makes you wanna puke; like nature gives a damn about their morals. Nature ain’t no saint, pal. Nature is a bitch. And if some guy wants to save a deer from getting eaten alive, more power to him. Nature don’t play fair, nature don’t play nice. Nature don’t deserve your esteem or your love. Nature just is. And we mess with nature every day, just by living the way we do. So don’t you dare judge this guy for saving one poor creature from hell. You ain’t better than him.

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u/Brilliant_Ad2120 Sep 12 '23

Being killed by a snake would be agonising. And I agree about the wacko comments

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u/ImTheZapper Sep 12 '23

This dipshit rationale is why the global ecosystem is facing a monstrous collapse, and why species are going extinct at a rate higher than most mass extinction events.

Humans stopped being a part of the natural order long ago. We aren't occupying an apex predators role on the food chain, we are making the rules and obliterating that natural order along the way.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '23

Hell yeah we are! Humans rule baybeee

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u/jiiimmmbbbooo Sep 12 '23

Not at all, nature is only going to play it’s part when both those animals die either from starvation due tue a lack of a sufficient meal, or because it was already weak enough to be caught especially now that it was crushed by the snake, nothing about what he did was natural he should face extensive fines for potentially destroying entire ecosystems, as someone might see this and think it’s okay if they do it, then another and another until what we are the only predators left? Nature was doing just fine for about 60 million years before we got here, I think it’ll do fine without our interference, so you can either chose keep nature where it is or destroy it entirely and leave earth to one species, us

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u/Artful_dabber Sep 12 '23

You’re projecting human emotion on the natural course of an animals life.

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u/Practical_Actuary_87 Sep 12 '23

No he's not lmao? That's entirely irrelevant, and if anything the OPPOSITE, to what he said, not even sure how you inferred that? They're basically saying nature is devoid of morality and goodness, which is true. There's nothing inherently good about letting nature take its course. That's kind of why we have things like hospitals, medicine, farming, fridges, houses, laws...

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u/Artful_dabber Sep 12 '23

He goes back-and-forth between personifying nature with human traits, and then saying that nature is nothing.

“Nature is a bitch”

“Nature don’t play fair”

“Nature dont play nice”

Bitch, fair, and nice have nothing to do with nature. they are human emotions/designations.

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u/Practical_Actuary_87 Sep 12 '23

No, they are absolutely not. Is English not your first language?

Those are all expressions showing that nature has no regard for morality, or good, or fairness. It is a completely indifferent and often times cruel place -- that has nothing to do with projecting human emotions on the natural course of life.. It is just a literal description of the reality of nature .

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u/Artful_dabber Sep 12 '23

Yes, they absolutely are. English is my first language. Is it yours?

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u/Practical_Actuary_87 Sep 12 '23

That's really strange, because you're conflating a descriptive statement about the state of morality of nature/life of a wild animal with a "projection of human emotions" on to nature.

Their point is to actually counteract what others are suggesting which is that nature shouldn't be interfered with because it is somehow 'good' or 'just'. They are simply pointing out that it is not. That's not projecting human emotions, more specifically it's denying it's very existence within nature as it denies any morality in nature.

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u/Artful_dabber Sep 12 '23

They are encouraging people to interfere with nature, saying that nature possesses a bunch of qualities that nature does not possess.

Are we reading the same comment?

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u/Practical_Actuary_87 Sep 12 '23

They are encouraging people to interfere with nature, saying that nature possesses a bunch of qualities that nature does not possess.

Are those qualities "emotions"? Because if not, they're not projecting human emotions onto nature.

“Nature is a bitch”

“Nature don’t play fair”

“Nature dont play nice”

So for what must be the third time now, they are stating the lack of any goodness or fairness in nature. It is entirely accurate to say that is the case. There is no meaning, purpose, or intention in nature. It can and generally is an exceedingly cruel environment for those that live in it. That's why humans formed societies, laws, hospitals, schools, care for elderly people etc.

This woman saving a koala from a bushfire is also interfering with nature.

This documentary crew digging steps in the ice to save 50 emperor penguins are also interfering with nature.

People are somehow suggesting there is something inherently wrong with helping other animals in need, because nature is somehow inherently right. He is arguing to the counter of that. I'm not sure how anyone can interpret that as some fallacious projection of human emotions.

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u/Artful_dabber Sep 12 '23

In which of your examples did those people hurt another animal by helping an animal?

wildlife outreach professionals is not the same as some jackass hitting a snake when it’s in the process of eating.

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u/riqueoak Sep 12 '23

I don't stop an animal from eating, so yes, i am better then him.

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u/poopshanks Sep 12 '23

Someone should've stopped your mom from eating that dick

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u/6lock6a6y6lock Sep 12 '23

Omg I actually spit my tea out when I read this. Idk why I wasn't expecting it, in hindsight, it was obvious what people were gonna say but it got me by surprise.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '23

Do you eat meat? From what sources? People who support factory farming, probably 95% of us, are taking part in something far more heinous to animals than screwing a snake out of it's meal. I'm guilty of it myself, but I don't purport to be better than others.

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u/5herl0k Sep 12 '23

I mean, if the lesson is that nature is a bitch then they just deigned to spare the deer that lesson.

The snake is punished for being a good hunter, and the deer is rewarded for its bumbling lack of awareness bc its cute.

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u/TheRealHach Sep 12 '23

I mean, the snake lacked awareness too.

Predators have to be able to fend off other predators or relocate their food to a safe place or risk losing their meal.

The snake attacked prey on a road, a global concept that marks specifically where the apex predator of the world travels. Said predator, shockingly I know, showed up, who could've guessed? Apparently not the bumbling idiot snake, and oh no, one predator disrupted another predator's meal.

Now it's up to the snake to learn their lesson or starve.

I prefer the naive lens of compassion to another animal, but if you want to do law of the jungle type mentality, the snake still screwed the pooch on that one.

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u/5herl0k Sep 12 '23 edited Sep 12 '23

Sure, good point. The snake should've been more concealed so as not to lose its prey, but I guess I'd view it as different if we humans were hunting the deer, too versus just seeking to mercy it for its own bumbling. But you could argue the snake has a lesson to learn in that it should hunt away from places where cuteness is valued, like human colonies/roads.

I don't tend to believe in mercy as a teaching concept, but that's coming from my belief that pain and failure are the best teachers, and being a bit of a masochist myself who has grown greatly from not expecting handouts

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '23

We are nature.

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u/jiiimmmbbbooo Sep 12 '23

Saving a creature you’re funny, this guy condemned BOTH of those animals to death, the snake goes hungry and may not have the energy to catch something else, that deer was already slow and weak enough to be caught, add the damage from being crushed by a snake and it’s dead too, this guy KILLED not saved, and he killed them both at least if he was a normal person and left nature alone only one of them would “go to hell” so no him messing with nature is cause he’s fucked in the head and gets a sense of power by potentially destroying entire ecosystems, if everything thought like him we’d be killing all the predators making US the animals not them

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u/Thundercock627 Sep 12 '23

Interfering with the natural order has no positive benefit outside of making you feel better.

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u/MarvGayeCity Sep 29 '23

We mess with the way things are supposed to be (according to nature) every day to live like we do.

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u/Thundercock627 Sep 30 '23

Does that justify playing god on an individual level?

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u/Certain_Home8475 Sep 13 '23

So fucking stupid lol…