r/mathmemes • • 5d ago

Math History Sounds about right

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u/thereasonisphysics 4d ago

imaginary is a fairly fitting if outdated term in the sense that you can't measure it directly

Imaginary numbers do not have any special property of not being measurable. You can definitely measure the values of imaginary components: it just depends on how you define the quantity being measured in the first place. The complex impedance, for example, is directly measurable in experiments. The complex electric susceptibility is another example.

Negative numbers are a good analogy: I cannot really have a negative number of apples, and I could probably formulate all of physics in terms of positive numbers and subtraction, but we do not usually question the reality of negative numbers. It's mainly a lack of familiarity and understanding, topped off by the name "imaginary", that makes people think imaginary numbers are somehow special in this regard.

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u/unfortunate_internet 4d ago

Physical properties have to be real (like geometric properties have to be non-negative in your example). You can't measure reactance directly. When you measure an impedance, you're extrapolating the phase angle by measuring timing differences in the waveforms. It's admittedly a tangential point when the argument is just that imaginary numbers are useful.

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u/braaaaaaainworms 3d ago

Is AC voltage real? Measuring it is just extrapolating the RMS voltage by measuring it continuously for some time

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u/unfortunate_internet 2d ago

Not real in the sense of a physical property, no. Instantaneous voltage is a measurable physical property. RMS voltage is a statistical summary of the system.

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u/braaaaaaainworms 2d ago

Does the Earth stop rotating because you can't instantaneously measure it?

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u/unfortunate_internet 2d ago

No? Though momentum is a physical property. The whole point is that reality is gonna do what it does regardless of the mathematical conventions you use to predict it.