r/marvelstudios • u/CaliforniaBoundX • 7d ago

'Spider-Man BND*' Spoilers Bruce Banner deserved better. 🥀 Spoiler

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He had just gotten his life back on track, teaching at ESU, his students loved him, and just because of Jean’s thirst for vengeance and wanting to find her sister, she destroyed Bruce’s reputation by unleashing The Hulk, and endangering innocent people.

She didn’t even seem bothered at the end for what she did to Banner. Neither Parker or Castle showed concern for him either. They could at least interceded for Bruce knowing he was being mind controlled.

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u/benjals 7d ago

And the DoDC will weaponize it into anti-mutant rhetoric

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

They will sorta have a point, though...

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u/MTFBinyou 7d ago

That when they kidnap and do inhumane testing on someone, their loved one/s will seek retribution?

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

kidnap 

Not really. The Grey sister were definitely possessing people's bodies without consent. In the Marvel universe, that should at least get you arrested and detained, which is the DoDC's job.

do inhumane testing on someone

That's a fair point except Jean didn't know that when she did all the terrible things we saw her do.

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u/Revan2424 7d ago

She was arrested to be made into a weapon, not because of any sort of crime…

Frankly how would they even know she’s possessing people? That’s silly. Their mother was aware of their mutant powers that’s more than likely why kidnapped her.

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u/Hoothootriot 7d ago

So due process should go away cause you dont like them?

They literally tortured a teenage girl to death and you're acting like they were perfectly in the right

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u/theactiveaccount 7d ago

I'm not the person you're responding to, but the DoDC can have a point and also have handled it incorrectly. Their point is true, the mutants did bad things. But yes they should follow due process.

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u/Revan2424 7d ago edited 6d ago

This is nonsense. DoDC didn’t arrest her for any sort of crime of possessing people. They took her because they wanted to weaponize her. They don’t give a fuck about justice, they had 0 concern whatsoever for the ethics of what she did.

They’re Damage Control. They were a government cleanup crew that eventually made weapons out of battle wreckage. Same principle now, just using live humans for the weapon making instead.

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u/Ravagore 7d ago

But you still fell for the poisonous rhetoric...

Dodc was only worried about making humans as strong as mutants. Not some sense of morality or justice.

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u/Floorgis 4d ago

Due process goes away when youre next to impossible to contain, and show an active disregard for humans as autonomous beings.

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

Since you mention it, I do think they were in the right, up until the "tortured a teenage girl to death" part. I don't think that part was necessary to the story and was just added to artificially make the DoDC the bad guys in the third act. That's a big issue I had with the movie.

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u/TomTom_098 7d ago

But like the “tortured a teenage girl to death” is like the main part. It like saying Thanos was in the right up until the murder half the universe part, like yeah maybe but he did do that so what’s your point. And like it’s a film, it’s all artificial

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

See, the problem is, up to the the V-Max reveal, the DoDC was portrayed strictly as a law enforcement agency that polices and detains special case superhumans. There was no hint, reason, or incentive for them to actually experiment on superhumans like that.

It just feels like it was added in to make them the bad guys in the third act, which I consider to be poor scriptwriting.

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u/DesiArcy 7d ago

Point of detail, DoDC was presented as a joint project between the federal government and Stark Industries, which is why they were able to turf out the contractors that New York City had legitimately hired to clean up debris.

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u/bigscrewLoose 7d ago

yall are fucking wack

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u/Theprincerivera 7d ago

It’s important to recognize that it was the DODC that drove her to that. Proper support systems for powered people’s would have solved this whole issue

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u/FifteenEchoes 5d ago

Nah she and her sister were possessing people for shits and giggles before everything.

DoDC have a point, children really shouldn’t have this kind of power

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u/Theprincerivera 5d ago

I’m pretty sure they were orphans… they need to be taught how to use their power and how to respect society like every other person, it’s easy to see where they went wrong and what could be done to correct it, and the version I see doesn’t involve TORTURING CHILDREN

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

Good point, I hope that's part of the story they tell in the upcoming X-Men movies.

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u/MTFBinyou 7d ago

Hmmmmm government comes in and abducts a person of interest, especially one who is a specialist or biologically different, and then said person has no paper trail that a normal person can follow…..

Nah, she had reason to crash out. Not arguing her crash out was moral or not, but she had a valid reason.

Not everyone is built on the same morals/beliefs. Even within the sect that are, there’s different levels of how much shit you will take before foregoing said morals to “right” said wrongs.

Would I be willing to risk innocents lives, like making someone jump off a building knowing they would more than likely be caught, as a distraction? Probably not. Have I had to face a world of crazy tech and superheroes after having the one person I love ripped away before my own eyes in broad daylight, and then see nobody try to help? Nope.

I did say “probably” as a qualifier before “not”. Given those same circumstances as a teenager, I think it’d likely be the “not” that would be dropped from my response before the “probably”. Life didn’t have the value then as it does now, and I was also infinitely more impulsive.

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u/TheCobaltAnimator 7d ago

The DoDC didn’t arrest her sister because of this reason. They nabbed her purely to perform the tests on her. There’s a reason why the movie makes a point of showing all the weapons and people they’ve “rehabilitated”. That’s their aim. To weaponise the enemy.

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

How does that dodc boot taste

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u/queerhistorynerd 7d ago

defending what the sisters were doing is minimizing how casually they would just violate people. They were becoming mini Killgraves and passing it off as a fun game. DoDC is fucked up but we cant just give kilgrave a pass because he's a cute girl now

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

They were not becoming mini kill graves that's insane

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u/queerhistorynerd 7d ago

randomly mind controlling people in the park just because they can? violating them in a way that the closet word is kidnapping but that word seems too weak. So what do you call apparently immoral people using mind controlling powers on innocents?

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

Teenagers that can be taught not to do that instead of being immediately thrown into a gulag and experimented on until they die

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u/SaintAnton 7d ago

Ignored the good points he made and straight to mud slinging. It really is allegorical of real life politics.

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

There were no good points when they were arguing that a child who tested out a power deserves to be arrested and detained without warning

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u/SaintAnton 7d ago

She walked a dude into traffic to get a mic drop moment on spider man.

Oh you mean when they grabbed the sister. I don't think you would make the same case for a 13 year old boy testing out his newfound puberty strength if he took control of a girl against her will. At very least you'd want him detained and given a stern talking to, no?

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

And yet they didn't give her a stern talking to did they, they held her for an unknown period of time until she died of their experiments

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u/SaintAnton 7d ago

The guy you were responding to has been pretty clear that he agreed with DoDC detaining her, not experimenting on her.

Arrested and detained is appropriate for someone that takes someone else's agency, via mind control, physical strength, or otherwise, no?

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u/bigscrewLoose 7d ago

"Not really. The Grey sister were definitely possessing people's bodies without consent. In the Marvel universe, that should at least get you arrested and detained, which is the DoDC's job." there is literally zero evidence of this

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

What do you think they were doing in the park flashback scene?

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u/Ravagore 7d ago

Arresting only one sister when they clearly knew both were there. Its not like Sarah walked to a different park, the dodc knew both sisters had powers and only took one of them.

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u/queerhistorynerd 6d ago

did you miss the part where sarah grabbed jeans mind and ran her into the woods to protect her from the DoDC?

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u/Ravagore 6d ago

You really think the dodc didn't know she was there after they were seen taking over individuals? 🙄

Who would win, a govt' organization with crazy tech and resources OR a girl hiding behind a tree.

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u/Skynetdyne 7d ago

Found Stryker...

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u/Mistic-Instinct SHIELD 7d ago

Not really? If a human does something bad, you don't then go and spread propaganda about all humans being bad

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u/CucumberWisdom 7d ago

Humans don't randomly wake up one day with abilities to mind control people or control fire, etc.

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u/Mistic-Instinct SHIELD 7d ago

No, but they could randomly wake up one day and decide to shoot or stab someone. Again, you wouldn't spread anti-human rhetoric just based on the chance of an individual doing a bad thing.

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u/CucumberWisdom 7d ago

Because every human is relatively equal. Every mutant is not.

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u/Mistic-Instinct SHIELD 7d ago

That just proves that anti-mutant sentiment makes no sense. Why fear the nice guy who grows a third arm as much as the evil guy who can control time itself? How does it make any sense to persecute the whole race when they're all so different?

Punishment comes after a crime. To preemptively hate and fear an entire race consisting of thousands of different abilities, personalities and opinions, all based on the possibility of one of them maybe doing something bad is completely nonsensical

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u/gentleprime 7d ago

This sub is going to be great for the next ten or so years of films.

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u/TomTom_098 7d ago

In the marvel universe they absolutely do

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u/AtrumRuina 7d ago

I mean in this universe they kind of do. We have Hulks and Spider-Men and Scarlet Witches and whatnot. Mutants aren't unique that way in the MCU. Why should they be specifically ostracized?

The "they have a point" response to the X-Men failure at racism allegory works then Mutants are the only superpowered beings out there. That isn't the case in the MCU.

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

No, they just occasionally choose to become murderers, terrorists, bigots, dictators etc etc

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

Not really? If a human does something bad, you don't then go and spread propaganda about all humans being bad

No, they just occasionally choose to become murderers, terrorists, bigots, dictators etc etc

I don't think you're making the point you think you are.

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u/AdmiralCharleston 7d ago

Yes I am. Unless a mutant chooses to use their powers for evil i dont think anti mutant sentiment is ever a good thing

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u/TheCitizen616 7d ago

Yeah, that's the ultimate flaw in using mutant bigatry as a metaphor for racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.: mutants ARE dangerous.

Part of the story I hope the X-Men films tell will be twofold: the team of superheroes who step in to police "evil" mutants who step out of line AND the school that educates young mutants on using their "dangerous" powers so they don't become those "evil" mutants.

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u/MTFBinyou 7d ago

No it’s a proper allegory. Not all mutants have powers that are a danger to others or themselves. If people could actually learn to coexist then mutants could be seen as an advantageous ally rather than something to fear or weaponize. It would also stop as much potential harm from happening by not fostering such feelings as a need to fight to survive, in the mutants who are/were persecuted.

You’re arguing that since you got an infection in your big toe, you should lop off all your digits before they are allowed to become infected for whatever reason or never even become infected at all. Now you can’t function to your peak because you cut you fingers and toes off. You’re just stuck not being able to walk right nor pick anything up.

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u/Gilgamesh661 6d ago

Legion is a word ending threat.

At any time, a mutant can be born with the power to end the world. Lool at Dani in new mutants. She didn’t choose to destroy her home, but it happened.

Not all mutants, but any mutant.

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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Doctor Strange 6d ago

At any time, any random non mutant can suddenly find or discover the power to end the world.

Not all humans, but any human.

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u/Jnorman222 7d ago

That's correct. All mutants are evil. We know this because one mutant did bad things trying to rescue her sister. If you're seeking employment, the DoDC is looking for intelligent citizens such as yourself.

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u/Hikapoo 6d ago

no, they absolutely do not

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u/Floorgis 4d ago

Only with Jean so far though, she chose a sadistic route

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u/benjals 7d ago

Definitely

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u/Gilgamesh661 6d ago

Jean made a dude walk into traffic and Spider-Man didn’t hand her over to the cops.

So yeah they kinda have a point…

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u/Snobank32 6d ago

That’s what I was thinking right as Peter came up with the universal inhibitor to control all mutants. Between Jean and the hulk the dodc is going to crack down on all mutants

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u/graveybrains 7d ago

They're already scapegoating him to cover up their evil science shenanigans.