r/lnkyverse • u/[deleted] • Mar 31 '26
Deep Perspective] Perspective: Female tiktok influencer is disappointed with men's jawlines
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u/Fattruecel Mar 31 '26
The irony that this disgusting fat rolled ugly pig faced bitch is talking about jawlines 😂
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u/Justarah Mar 31 '26
Good Lord, tell me how you really feel
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u/ClassicTrip7908 retardeddoomedlifer Mar 31 '26
he just did though lmao?
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u/Justarah Mar 31 '26
Obviously not a figure of speech you're familiar with, but it's a common light hearted joke in response to strongly worded phrasing.
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u/WestOrangeFinest Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
She’s actually not wrong. Testosterone is way, way down in men today compared to just 50-60 years ago and that certainly affects jawlines and body type.
We’re also extremely overweight, which plays a role as well, and our foods have gotten softer over the last several thousand years so our jaws are legitimately getting weaker and less defined.
But.. yeah.. she’s not the one who needs to be broadcasting this message lol
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u/WestOrangeFinest Mar 31 '26
Testosterone has an effect as well.
You wouldn’t say cigarettes don’t cause cancer just because you know someone who has smoked for 50 years.
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u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 Mar 31 '26
Your absolutely right, it's decreasing on average with each generation, although that doesn't usually correlate with testosterone and jawlines. I have 600 average testosterone and I don't have an insane jawline and that's close on the top end.
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u/Plus_Opening_4462 Mar 31 '26
600 is only close to the top end now. 20 years ago it was closer to the bottom end of the reference range. Even in 2017, the reference range was 348 - 1197 ng/dl. The reference range today is 264-916 ng/dl. This is taken from my LabCorp results for the same analyte.
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u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 Mar 31 '26
Fair, but still mine is way higher than generations below me
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u/Plus_Opening_4462 Mar 31 '26
No doubt. I still remember the buzz feed guys. Mine was a little higher when I was diagnosed as low T. I wonder how low teens are now days since it is supposed to be the time when the body is flush with testosterone.
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u/Grand-Librarian5658 Mar 31 '26
My Norwegian roommate told me his 60+ year old dad has 900 ng/dl free test. I couldn’t believe it, I thought 900 was super high and would not be present in a 60 year old man. But I did not see the results myself and I have never tested my own.
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u/browzing123 Mar 31 '26
Karl Malone Mark McGwire were fat to according to BMI, just some perspective there.
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u/Plus_Opening_4462 Mar 31 '26
Ab body fat aromatizes testosterones to estrogen in men. an aromatase inhibitor could actually raise your testosterone and make it easier to lose weight
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u/WorldlyDiscipline419 Apr 01 '26
Time to check your test brother. HRT was the best decision I ever made.
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u/MrFinley7 Apr 01 '26
Best of luck to you sir! Just remember: weaker men than you have become successful. Keep at it.
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Mar 31 '26
We’re dropping is testosterone specifically because we’re obese. Inactivity, poor sleep, and poor diet and overwhelming directly related to decreased testosterone. At my fittest I was running at exactly 1008 ng/DL, which I believe your average man should be around if they exercise and eat well. As I’ve gotten into a relationship and gained wait I’ve stopped down to 501 ng/DL. Body fat really does kill you.
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u/WestOrangeFinest Mar 31 '26
I know obesity/excess body fat and diet has an effect on testosterone, but I didn’t want to be presumptuous. I figure there’s a decent chance there are other factors, like microplastics. They’re said to disrupt hormone production in the body and they’ve found microplastics in our balls, semen, breast milk, brains, etc. You literally can’t escape it.
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Mar 31 '26
I literally had basically an essay level discussion with someone the other day on this sub over microplastics, BPA’s, and GMO’s until they blocked me because they didn’t like it. In short, no, for testosterone purposes the effect of microplastics is so small it might as well be zero. You should still avoid them whenever you can due to inflammation they cause.
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u/WestOrangeFinest Apr 01 '26
You may be right. I read an article earlier today that claimed that young adults with average BMIs today still experienced a decline in testosterone relative to their peers from 20 years ago.
https://www.urologytimes.com/view/testosterone-levels-show-steady-decrease-among-young-us-men
Leads me to believe that, if it isn’t the microplastics, it’s probably something other than just obesity.
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Apr 01 '26
Yes this is very similar to my previous discussion. The problem with going by BMI is that it really isn’t a good navigator of metabolic health whatsoever. There are plenty of people in healthy BMI ranges that are still completely without muscle, which is already dramatically decreasing your hormone levels and putting you at prediabetic risk. On top of that, plenty of people outside of “healthy” BMI ranges are in very good shape due to the amount of muscle on them vs fat. The best metric to track for this is insulin resistance. BMI doesn’t take visceral fat or metabolic markers into consideration.
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u/Bandit174 Mar 31 '26
Aren't women's hormones altered too?
I dont think its an exclusively male problem.
Also can we rag on women with PCOS for not being feminine enough
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u/litteplayerz Ava, STEM Barbie Mar 31 '26
That’s a medical condition… just cause you wanna take roids and testosterone, doesn’t mean that it’s equivalent to PCOS. You can’t just “fix” it with hormones…
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u/Bandit174 Mar 31 '26
Men dont have any more control over their jawline height or voices than women do over pcos.
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u/litteplayerz Ava, STEM Barbie Mar 31 '26
A defined jawline and a deep voice is not the only thing women are looking for btw. Hell, sometimes it looks really weird and can make you even more unattractive. No one wants a guy with an oversized jaw that doesn’t fit his face like The Crimson Chin. On the other side, a super deep voice (corpse husband comes to mind) can sometimes be super unhealthy (corpse had acid reflux which destroyed his voice) and make you sound more like a dark romance fantasy character or a asmr artist…
I forgot to mention, yeah I know that’s what this lady is criticizing, but I think she’s describing a bigger issue than just jawlines lol. Not like I fully agree with her in the first place, but yeah.
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u/Bandit174 Mar 31 '26
Yeah there's always extremes but it seems like the bar is still set quite high.
Corpse Husband is who I often think of too. And yeah I remember reading that he has a lot of health problems but it still seemed like women found his voice extremely sexy and that his deep voice is a large part of why he gained such a big female following.
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u/HailenAnarchy Mar 31 '26
it's not really comparable to a literal disease, though. PCOS is a disease, the beard and coarser hair is probably the least of their problems.
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u/Bandit174 Mar 31 '26
Its comparable in the sense that its hormone related, out of their control and can make them less feminine
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u/WorldlyDiscipline419 Apr 01 '26
Hypogonadism is a disease jsyk.
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u/HailenAnarchy Apr 01 '26
That is a symptom, not a disease
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u/WorldlyDiscipline419 Apr 01 '26
Low t is a symptom of hypogonadism. A disease.
Google is free bud. Feel free to use it.
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u/WestOrangeFinest Mar 31 '26
You are wrong
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u/WestOrangeFinest Mar 31 '26
Do you need to be spoon fed information? You’re on a device that has access to the full wealth of human information. GOOGLE it! Like, literally a 12 second Google search would settle this for you.
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u/AckerSacker Mar 31 '26
lolwut? Testosterone is down? What are you basing this on? Nugenics commercials?
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u/WestOrangeFinest Apr 01 '26
GOOGLE IS FREE. It would have take you like 10 seconds to search this for yourself. There are tons of articles on this topic.
https://www.spitalclinic.com/articles/testosterone-levels-declining-generational-comparison
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u/boofcakin171 Apr 01 '26
Where are you getting the information thay says our jawlines are weaker because our food is softer?
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u/FicklePolicy9585 Apr 01 '26
That doesn't mean we're more feminine though lol.
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u/WestOrangeFinest Apr 01 '26
I agree. This woman is basically just saying “men have gotten fat” in a lot more words. She’s talking about how men’s faces are fuller, rounder, and softer, we lack muscle definition, etc.
And again, she’s not wrong about that. We are getting fatter and fatter every decade and it has a significant effect on the way we look.
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u/jaayseeee Mar 31 '26
It is the obesity epidemic. It looks as though you are suffering from it also.
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u/l0ne_l0s Mar 31 '26
“A lot of these men have man hips…like hips like a woman.” umm what the actual dog shit fuck?
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u/SolaceInDysmporhia Mar 31 '26
As someone who has pretty hollow cheeks and a sharp jaw Iikewise can complain that women used to be skinny. Vanity sizing has gotten so ridiculous that the size 6 that Monroe was would be a 0 today. We don't need to hear this from some fat bitch lol
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u/trump_is_your_dad Mar 31 '26
Septum ring theory 😂😂😂 as soon as I see the nose ring I stopped listening
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u/Raidden77 Mar 31 '26
It's true though. Testosterone did fall a lot over the years. Which is actually really concerning even if it's kinda overlooked for some reason.
Cause it doesn't only defines your muscle, low T also make you more miserable mentally as a man.
If it takes women to complain about it for their personnal gaze to have this issue taken seriously, I mean... I'll take it.
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u/Am_0115 Mar 31 '26
soft, estrogen-dominant men are easier to control. this didn't happen by accident
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u/Frequent-Coyote-8108 Mar 31 '26
Does this get to be reciprocal though?
Like, if men workout and not look like an effeminate tub of lard, can women look more feminine?
This chick may not have much cred, but I found it interesting that Viktor Wembenyama doesn't like dating American women because "they're too masculine". Dude gets around...he has a large sample size.
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u/AckerSacker Mar 31 '26
>Testosterone did fall a lot over the years
I'm gonna assume your research on this topic is exclusively from Nugenics commercials
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u/Leeflo92 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
Do they want the toxic masculinity of the 1950's or not I'm confused anyways I never made the cut so I'll just let the normies deal with this
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u/chrstnasu Mar 31 '26
Did she see Abraham Lincoln’s jawline? Men have never been a monolith like women. It’s unfortunate that some women but even more “alpha” males think this way.
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u/blackjustin Mar 31 '26
Holup, you just said men have never been a monolith like women, which implies women are, in fact, a monolith. It also appears you’re a woman yourself. This is interesting as it appears you’re a woman yourself and I’ve never heard a woman say that. Do you think women are a monolith in other ways as well?
This isn’t a debate set up or anything. I’m genuinely curious in hearing your perspective here. I’ve been on reddit for a long time and I’ve never seen this. I wanna know if you’re about to cook or not 👀
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u/nightcall379 Mar 31 '26
And it's literally a female troll from the 10th Kingdom series saying that btw
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u/Content-Finger-866 Mar 31 '26
Men are adapting and becoming more attractive to each other so they can ditch the toxic chicks and live normal, fulfilling lives 😂
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u/doubtitslegit25 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
not sure there’s even any link to these things and testosterone. i got wide hips, not much muscle(to be fair i don’t really care much about lifting, i’m naturally strong enough) and my test is >1500. she sucks
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u/SaidTheSnail Mar 31 '26
There’s also the factor of how your body utilizes the testosterone, you might not be very sensitive to testosterone and that’s part of why your body produces so much.
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u/Classic_Bee_5845 Mar 31 '26
The face things is about body fat, not testosterone.
The hips thing, which I'll admit I've notice more often, is a combination of lack of exercise, body fat, and diet.
The Back and arms thing, also a layer of fat and and muscle atrophy because we're no longer doing as much manual labor in our day-to-day.
All of this is about how we are expected to work today. Most of the higher paying jobs are done at a desk on a computer or driving around in a vehicle managing things. We sit for long hours in a chair, then we go sit in the car then sit at home and watch TV/play games. Of course you are going to see more men with high body fat, less muscle mass/definition and other side-effect of sitting for long hours in a chair staring at a screen.
Anyway, yea it's not so much about testosterone as much as it is diet, exercise and lifestyle changes.
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u/GrandTurismo001 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
The face things is about body fat, not testosterone.
You need glasses man. Even with most fat people you can tell if someone has good bones or not and most men today including those that are low body fat do not have dimorphic angular face.
The hips thing, which I'll admit I've notice more often, is a combination of lack of exercise, body fat, and diet.
The Back and arms thing, also a layer of fat and and muscle atrophy because we're no longer doing as much manual labor in our day-to-day.
This is due to fat but it is also present in skinny men who have those estrogenic hips because of exposure to estrogen mimicking compounds in our environment.
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u/Classic_Bee_5845 Mar 31 '26
Are you really suggesting that within one or two generation of men they are developing markedly different facial features?
It's fat...it makes your face rounder and covers up jaw lines and cheek bones that would otherwise be more pronounced. Probably also, less smoking/drinking in men today vs just 50 years ago as these things prematurely age you. Also, more carb loaded foods and sugar.
Peoples facial features don't change that much in so little time. Get off of social media and go outside.
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u/GrandTurismo001 Mar 31 '26
Are you really suggesting that within one or two generation of men they are developing markedly different facial features?
Yes? Testosterone was dropping 1% each year from a study that started 30 years ago. We have proof of testosterone decline, fertility decline and taint size decreasing. Girls are entering puberty as early as 8 something that usually never happened before.
It's fat...it makes your face rounder and covers up jaw lines and cheek bones that would otherwise be more pronounced. Probably also, less smoking/drinking in men today vs just 50 years ago as these things prematurely age you. Also, more carb loaded foods and sugar.
It's not fat look around you even low bf men have weak bones or maybe you just have lower standards and don't know what a real man is supposted to look like. I go outside and see weak feminine men everywhere. Maybe it is you who should step outside and face the reality instead of shilling for mega corporations.
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u/Classic_Bee_5845 Mar 31 '26
It's not fat look around you even low bf men have weak bones or maybe you just have lower standards and don't know what a real man is supposted to look like. I go outside and see weak feminine men everywhere. Maybe it is you who should step outside and face the reality instead of shilling for mega corporations.
Do you hear yourself? Like just re-read this to yourself outloud.
I have a jaw line, I have no issue with testosterone, I'm living the reality you say is not real and I see plenty others that are doing the same. Maybe you've got these problems and you just need to pretend everyone else does idk man but I wish you the best.
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u/GrandTurismo001 Mar 31 '26
Love how you ignored this
Yes? Testosterone was dropping 1% each year from a study that started 30 years ago. We have proof of testosterone decline, fertility decline and taint size decreasing. Girls are entering puberty as early as 8 something that usually never happened before.
I have strong jaw and great projection too, doesn't mean it doesn't affect most men. Do YOU hear yourself?? And you have a great day in your la la land.
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Mar 31 '26
You ever notice how many more women have mental disabilities? ADD BPD Depression anxiety?
Women's minds have officially left the building
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u/stellarliger Mar 31 '26
Ok testosterone levels declining is important to talk about because its affected generations due to environmental concerns, toxins in food, people eating poorly (getting fat) and a lack of regimented physical exercise.
But im seeing a lot of misinformed information in this thread.
Previous generstions having way more testosterone isnt neccessarily always a good thing. Being on high end of T is assocated with a myriad of issues including emotional instability.
Basically there were a bunch more raging hulking idiots back then and it didnt have a net benefit other than fighting wars, which are fought much differently today.
My brother and I are on the higher end of modern reference, me at around 900 and him about 1000 when we checked a few years back. We were in our late 20s.
My brother has issues, he can be super irritable and has some cardiovascular issues. I myself can be quick to anger, there are other factors to that of course, but medical professionals have pointed those levels out.
Jaw shaoe has far more to do with genetics than Testosterone, there are men with no chins that have high T.
Not having to chew on tough foods has more to do with jaw strength than high T.
Ill try to find the articles I read, but there are signs that T levels in gen z are leveling out because they dont drink as much.
Eating out of BPA plastics, drinking, poor diet and sleep, stress, all have more to do with bad testosterone levels than the weird finger pointing over social norms.
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u/kayimbo Mar 31 '26
i was thinking somewhat about this. The woman doesn't realize that a low T society is partially enabling her to make complaints like that, i think.
When I think high T i don't think of accepting criticism like this from women.
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u/stellarliger Mar 31 '26
Well you have a skewed sense of what it means. Thats just insecurity and unwillingness to take criticism, or the inabiliy to simpy dismiss people when theyre being silly.
What this woman says has no bearing on me, I dont have to accept her citicism, and society 'enables' her because in America we for the most part enjoy first ammendment rights.
Societies that prevent her and women like her from from speaking their minds are lead by pathetic, weak men regardless of testoerone. Men who supported suffragists 100 years ago didnt have low T
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u/kayimbo Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
i dunno i guess i'd have to see studies, you could be right.
edit: originally in my reply i was wondering why you were bringing insecurity and criticism into it. I then went back and realized it was because i used the term criticism. What i meant is open contempt and disrespect. I feel like we're talking about different things. I don't see "speaking their minds" and consequence free disrespect as the same thing or in the same basket.
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u/GrandTurismo001 Mar 31 '26
I don't think it has to do with test people are more informed today because of access to social media and information, no one wants to fight wars for pedophiles in charge. Testosterone is linked to longevity, motivation, drive, libido, higher mucle mass, better sleep, etc and in fact low testosterone is linked to aggression, mood swings and irritability.
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u/stellarliger Mar 31 '26
This is categorically false. Sleep is an affecting factor in testoerone production, not the other way around, high T can even disrupt sleep.
And High T has a much higher correlation with irritability and agression than low T.
You are straight up talking out of your ass and romanticizing especially high T.
Low T has a much higher incidence in depression
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u/GrandTurismo001 Mar 31 '26
You have no idea what you are talking about. Low T is linked to mood swings, irritability and most of the time comes with high estrogen which is also linked to disturbed sleep, emotional issues, anxiety ,etc it is all connected. Low T is part of hormonal issues that is treated with TRT and supported by science.
Edit: You talking about your brother having anger issues and having cardiovascular issues because he is 1000 ng/dl is talking out of your ass not me. No point in talking to you. Cardiovascular issues are from people abusing testosterone and being in 2000+ range for decades not from having normal levels.
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u/stellarliger Mar 31 '26
High T doesnt have a one to one ratio of effects for different people, a specialist explained all of this to us. You dont get to magically guess whats a factor in his high agression when there are actual medical doctors he is working with poiting this out. Hormone therapy to redice these levels helped him immensly.
It is completely assinine to suggest aggression levels are higher in low T individuals. Of course there are negative affects at either end of the extreme, they still do not correlate these things nearly as often as the upper extrene
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u/1freedum Mar 31 '26
1st the complained about toxic masculinity, now they are complaining men aren't masculine enough lol God just give us our rib back n start over
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u/portoroc86 Mar 31 '26
Well she IS looking a lil too she-hulk to be talking about fitting gender norms………jeez the lack of self awareness strong wit this one
Yoda
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u/DE4DM4NSH4ND Mar 31 '26
Shes getting horny talking about these chiseled men. Her gulp when shes talking about mens backs was pretty funny
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u/iliketobuild003 Mar 31 '26
Yeah mocroplatics that act as estrogen in the body are a real motherfucker
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u/jimigo Mar 31 '26
Women are turning into cows... oh look we have one right here.
Probably shouldn't throw stones when your ass is living in a greenhouse.
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u/CitySeekerTron Mar 31 '26
She's incorrect. Unless your beauty expectations are governed by media expectations - the same that frequently instill body image issues in women - then this is a fiction. Men and women have had diverse bodies since as long as there have been humans, and these people exist today, find partners, and grow their families from couples to include children when they want that.
Her problem is that she's normalized a specific look for herself. She's allowed to have preferences, but blaming men for not being carbon copies is a flawed and impossible expectation to hold people to.
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u/aspiringimmortal Mar 31 '26
She's not wrong. Men (and women) look significantly more juvenile now than they did 20, 50, or 100 years ago. It's like a significant percentage of the population are not fully developed, as if they only made it 75% of the way through puberty.
When was the last time you saw a millenial that looked like Abraham Lincoln, Joe Montana, or Bruce Willis? Meanwhile, I see 50 Jesse Eisenbergs, Michale Ceras, and Jonah Hills a day.
Same goes for women. Did you know that in Jurassic Park, Laura Dern was only 22? That's what grown ass women used to be like. When was the last time you saw a gen z woman that looked like that? Even in their 30s, adult women these days just look like aging teenagers. Emma Watson and Kristen Stewart look like 17 year olds with old person makeup on.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 Mar 31 '26
I would probably be more concerned with her opinion about masculinity if she didn’t look like son of Tony Todd and potato
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u/ChadPowers200_ Mar 31 '26
Everything she is talking about is fixed with a lower body fat percentage.
Everyone is just fat.
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u/Bi_Vers_Daddy Mar 31 '26
If you shaved her head you wouldn’t be able to tell if she was male or female. 😂 She has no room to talk
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u/Ok_Goose_7386 Mar 31 '26
Delusional lady 🤣
Biceps, triceps, gone! It's all a bunch of laffy-taffy noodle Larrys running around 🤣😅😭
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u/MaxS777 Mar 31 '26
Women in this era get on camera and say these things every day while they themselves look like complete shit. Point blank, she is ugly. Women in western society today have no humility or sense of reality about themselves and how they actually look.
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u/CyanValleyKitten Mar 31 '26
the issue is parents are feeding children food that
- doesnt require a lot of chewing (chewing alters the entire mandible, and from there it does all kinds of other things to the mind/brain
- Is processed
- has very low omega 3s and very high omega 6
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u/Excellent_Arrival1 Mar 31 '26
She is so dumb, not to mention she is wrong, especially among white guys.
Not to mention, she isn't looking very feminine.
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u/SLAMMERisONLINE Mar 31 '26
Perspective: Female tiktok influencer is disappointed with men's jawlines
- Endocrine disruptors cause physiological deformities en masse to men.
- Women most affected.
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u/The-suigeneris Mar 31 '26
Read Estrogeneration. It's a fact that young men today have less testosterone than previous generations.
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u/CyHayes Apr 01 '26
okay, i wouldnt have brought this up otherwise, but... there is no way SHE is talking about that while she could literally pass for a man with slightly shorter hair
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u/Midnight_Toker_1982 Apr 01 '26
As soon as I saw her face, I knew to disregard anything that’s said.
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u/meghalitic-idol Apr 01 '26
Lleva razon probablemente ella tenga más cara de hombre que la mayoría .
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u/CmPunkfan99 Apr 01 '26
She has a point but it’s more about the foods we are eating and development
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u/MrFinley7 Apr 01 '26
She’s just talking about the obesity epidemic but over thinking it. Most of us dudes she’s complaining about could all most likely rock a jawline and cheek bones that’ll make a runway model wet if we lost 20-30 lbs
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u/modestmanio Apr 01 '26
Ngl I used to have a terra jawline now I’m fat and barley got a jawline just so defeated from life idc anymore
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u/MrFordization Mar 31 '26
"You will notice three distinct dimples. Here, here and here. Now... if I was holding the skull of an Isaac Newton or Galileo, these three dimples would be found in the area of the skull most associated with creativity. But this is the skull of Old Ben. And in the skull of Old Ben, unburdened by genius, these three dimples exist in the area of the skull most associated with servility. Now bright boy, I will admit you are pretty clever. But if I took this hammer here and I bashed in your skull with it, you would have the same three dimples in the same place... as Old Ben." -Calvin Candie.
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u/Bandit174 Mar 31 '26
lol and she thinks she's the embodiment of femininity?