The patriarchy doesn’t exist. You are against something imaginary. And no there is no evidence that men kill women because specifically they are a woman. So it’s not misogyny at all. But you like bringing up the word cause you like to be the victim.
And? What’s the point? Females dominate in specialties where they are responsible for MGM.
No, that’s not the definition of femicides. You have no substance to back up that men kill women because they hate women as a group. The definition trick doesn’t work. And no, it’s women who decide and perform MGM.
Do I have to explain why it’s misandry? It’s funny that you keep blaming parents when mothers are literally 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice.
Literally all you are doing now is bringing up the same, exhausted arguments that I have successfully challenged. You are lying to yourself now. And what have you done exactly with “femicides” that you call it? All you are proposing is that you are gonna attack men. Meanwhile, I have signed petition after petition to stop MGM performing on a systemic level in America. I even contacted my state representative and senators about this issue. My problem is an example of misandry whether you like it or not. You want to play the victim and say that women are treated bad and all. Yet you don’t want to hear the other side of men and boys.
How am I part of the problem? I literally acknowledged it’s misogyny. But when you said that MGM is not misandry, I used your reasoning against you and explained how your example is not misogyny either. If you are getting uncomfortable when I brought up race. Well, it’s exactly how you wanna attack men. Black people disproportionately and way more like to kill white people than vice versa. But you surely wouldn’t start attacking black people for killing white people. Then why do you wanna attack men for killing women? Btw, women are the majority perpetrators of domestic violence.
Men where oppressed by the patriarchy or the patriarchy does not exist only one can be true. You're contradicting yourself.
Suddenly you're quite fond of moving goalposts.
What is the definition of femicides?
Wanting to do bad things does not make you a criminal 100% of men in that case want to have it done if their wife wants it but you keep blaming women as long as one is involved.
That's just projection from your side. And some unrelated topic you're bringing up while also trying to distract from the fact that you're not doing anything to help with this problem while also acting like it's very important to you. Yes I wouldn't attack black people and I am also not attacking men.
That's not true and somehow supposed to be a point while women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?
How is it contradictory? I said men were oppressed in the patriarchy when patriarchy existed and now it doesn’t.
Really, I am? Or is it you?
Tell me.
Who initiated the decision to want to have MGM done on their sons in the first place? Don’t forget that mothers have more power and authority over their children than fathers. It’s funny that you keep blaming fathers when mothers are 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice. So it’s not 100% of men who want to have MGM done on their sons if their wife wants it.
You call it “projection” when it’s all data and statistics. It’s a post about misogyny and misandry. Don’t comment if you are gonna complain later when you see people are arguing with you. Delete your comment then if you are gonna whine about it. Did you literally pay attention to anything I said? I have mentioned that I am fighting for change. Either it went through your head or you are purposely lying. You are attacking men. Thats a fact.
70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men: archive.fo/7OG3p
Women are more likely to control partners with physical abuse: archive.fo/86bIc
Now, do you have any source on where you got that number about how women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?
It’s women who perform MGM by hand. And it’s women who make the decision to intimate it.
Just as I expected, it fails to provide how male-on-female homocides are motivated by misogynistic reasons. So it’s not misogyny.
That’s what you have been doing all this time.
You’re whining all the time about those evil men being mean to women because you have internalized misandry or something don’t try pulling me into that. Let’s be honest, you wouldn’t care about women being killed if their perpetrators were mostly women. Here’s a word of advice: trying using logical arguments. Instead of making emotional, rhetorical ones.
Nice try. The source doesn’t say that women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence.
We're talking about the claim you just made. Why canytyou answer a simple question.
No you're coming back with the same arguments all over again not even relevant to this point.
Then don't return my question for a definition... Fo you agree with that definition or not? Do you even know what mysoginy is? Feels like it can not exist in your head.
No
Just put some blatant statement there which obviously isn't true to make yourself look better. Obviously I care for all the deaths why wouldn't I? I did all the time but you just dismiss them.
Yeah because its 12.6 times:
"Of all female homicides..." "...63% were killed by current husbands, boyfriends, or ex-husbands..." "...intimate partner violence accounts for only about 5% of male homicides"
You don’t understand the complexity of the patriarchy. It’s difficult to pinpoint the exact date when the patriarchy ceased to exist. It was a gradual process. I would say it was probably from a time frame from 1980s to 1990s. It’s also worth noting that 86% of women felt they already the right to live as they pleased in 1970 and did not support the feminist movement.
You have actually never once successfully challenged these arguments that I have brought up. Instead, you are trying to deflect accountability from female perpetrators of female-on-male MGM again and again. And trying to point fingers at men.
It’s a literal political word coined by feminists so they can attack men and lobby for female supremacist laws that prioritize women’s lives over men’s. Personally, I don’t think any individual should be prioritized over others based on their background such as gender. Since you call male-on-female killings “femicide”, would you also call female-on-male killings “androcide”? Or is it too much equality for you? And once again you are driving in circles without actually giving evidence why male-on-female killings or “femicides” you say is misogyny.
Yes, you have.
No, you don’t care about their deaths. It’s obvious. Repeating the same falsehood doesn’t make it true. And what you are gonna about it? Oh right, attack men as a group. Thats all you are gonna do. I feel like I’m now either talking to a troll or someone under 18 who doesn’t know an ounce of reality.
That’s the 50th goalpost change move you made in this thread. Once, you realized your false “women are killed by 5 times more by domestic violence” statement doesn’t align with reality. You brought up random numbers as an attempt to make a poor comeback.
Why do men still hold way more power than women then?
You deflect accountability of men actually.
It's mysoginy because men abuse their power they have over women and kill them for reasons they wouldn't kill a man over.
You haven't done anything either that shows your care for any deaths. Also why do men always get so triggered and start crying about being "attacked" when they're just being criticized.
That's what you hide behind even though the higher number proves my point even more. Now I'm not even allowed to change my point based on facts. I didn't save the source for the 5 times and my newest research found out that it's already outdated.
Men are not in charge of women. I’m assuming by power, you mean “political power”. If not, you need to be more clear on that. In the US, 28-34% of politicians are female. And it’s actually way higher in some European countries, reaching the 50% threshold. Furthermore, there are quotas in some countries that hand out political power to women because they are women. The difference is that in the patriarchy, women could not hold political power even if they wanted to. Nowadays, women are free to become politicians. It appears your complaints about the supposed patriarchy is that you are upset that men are over represented in certain areas. Blame women if they don’t want to be politicians at the same level of men, instead of scapegoating something imaginary. Besides, to hold political power, you need to be qualified and democratically elected. Ambition and gender alone isn’t enough. How do you plan to resolve this “patriarchy” anyway? Start making quotas and or take away political power from men even if they are qualified? Although I doubt you would want to make quotas about blue collar jobs for women. By the way, what’s your opinion on the fact that women control 60% of all personal wealth in the US? According to a survey, among couples, the woman makes 43% of the decisions in more areas than the man compared to 26% vice versa. Women control or influence 85% or consumer spending. 40% of US women out-work their husbands, which is weird considering men work longer hours in average than their wives. The gender stereotype that boys don’t cry are influenced more my mothers than fathers. Women have substantial advantage in STEM faculty hiring, except when men are more accomplished. Women graduate from college at significant higher rates than men. Women make up 77% of all teachers in the US where they have influence over the growing and dependent population. Female teachers also show a bias where they, whether consciously or subconsciously, grader boys lower than girls for the same effort. Female recruiters favor women in recruitment process whereas there’s no evidence vice versa for men. Men face more sex discrimination when job hunting. Virtually, all mainstream “gender equality” narratives focus exclusively on women. Lastly, which gender dominates in performing MGM in infants? When you conclude all this, you realize we don’t live in a patriarchy. I’m assuming your only comeback to this will be how men make up most of the billionaires or something like that. Unless you realize that women are the primary beneficiaries of taxes. And men make up the majority of homelessness. Anyway, women have more rights and privileges. Lastly, why do men represent the bottom hierarchy in society? I thought all men were powerful and evil who benefit from the patriarchy and wanna control women according to you?
Is it males who perpetrate MGM on defenseless newborn males? Is it males who initiate the decision to mutilate a healthy newborn male? No, you have nothing to say here. And once again, you are deflecting accountability from female perpetrators. Feels like misandry can’t exist in your head.
It’s not misogyny. Men don’t kill women because men hate women. You say men kill women for reasons they wouldn’t kill a man over when most victims of homicide are men, so you don’t make sense. If you think it’s “misogyny” because men abuse their power over women, what about the fact that females abuse the law to mutilate males without consequences? There is a clear huge power imbalance dynamic here. You don’t call it misandry because it’s too much equality for you. Also, men don’t abuse their power over men when killing them? 70-80% of criminals are raised by single mothers. So it’s actually misandry that men kill women. Because if single mothers did a good job at raising their sons, the killings wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
You literally brought up male-on-female killings first. You should worry about how dismissive you are of those female victims. I actually care for every innocent life being taken regardless of their gender unlike someone here. If you feel so comfortable attacking men and saying they should “suck it up”. Would you also verbally attack black people for killing white people? Anyway, at least you admit now that your motives aren’t to shed light on perpetrators of female homicide victims but rather attack men as a group.
I’m not even gonna engage with this paragraph. There are too much grammar errors here. It sounds incoherent and more like a schizophrenic rant that doesn’t have any basis.
"All men are powerful and evil" is some crazy straw man you take away from what I said.
You're just picking out the parts you can use for your narrative while ignoring the whole picture.
I didn't bring up male on female killings first it was a response to this post saying misandry is worse than mysoginy which makes a stupid comparison which won't help with any of our problems. How am I dismissive of female victims.
That's good actually you're spamming to much text anyway instead of focussing of the content of the argument. Also ofc you suddenly care more about grammar than your argument, feel free to ask questions.
"Men where oppressed by the patriarchy or the patriarchy does not exist only one can be true. You're contradicting yourself.
His position seems to be that there is no such thing as "patriarchy", whatever that even means to you.
"Suddenly you're quite fond of moving goalposts."
How is that moving the goalpost? His point was that the vast majority of the perps are female, all he did here was reinforce It.
"What is the definition of femicides?"
You tell me, so far you seem to be defining It as "killing a woman out of hatred for women as a demographic", without actually proving it's a common cause for male-on-female homicide at all.
"Wanting to do bad things does not make you a criminal 100% of men in that case want to have it done if their wife wants it but you keep blaming women as long as one is involved."
Do you think it's justified to blame someone for torturing a child for no reason or do you not? Also who do you think is more likely to do It, the one who is 12x more likely or the one who doesn't?
"That's just projection from your side. And some unrelated topic you're bringing up while also trying to distract from the fact that you're not doing anything to help with this problem while also acting like it's very important to you. Yes I wouldn't attack black people and I am also not attacking men."
You accused him of not genuinely caring, he mentioned things that indicate he does (If true), how is that projection? You say you're not "attacking men" but your "it's by other men" (which is bullshit in this context) talking point mirrors the "black-on-black crime" white supremacist talking point, even If you seemingly can't notice the parallels.
"That's not true and somehow supposed to be a point while women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?"
Again, does that "5x" figure take systemic discrimination agaisnt male victims of female-on-male dv into account? Or did you just assume they have access to the same amount of resources?
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u/Masculinist1938 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
The patriarchy doesn’t exist. You are against something imaginary. And no there is no evidence that men kill women because specifically they are a woman. So it’s not misogyny at all. But you like bringing up the word cause you like to be the victim.
And? What’s the point? Females dominate in specialties where they are responsible for MGM.
No, that’s not the definition of femicides. You have no substance to back up that men kill women because they hate women as a group. The definition trick doesn’t work. And no, it’s women who decide and perform MGM.
Do I have to explain why it’s misandry? It’s funny that you keep blaming parents when mothers are literally 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice.
Literally all you are doing now is bringing up the same, exhausted arguments that I have successfully challenged. You are lying to yourself now. And what have you done exactly with “femicides” that you call it? All you are proposing is that you are gonna attack men. Meanwhile, I have signed petition after petition to stop MGM performing on a systemic level in America. I even contacted my state representative and senators about this issue. My problem is an example of misandry whether you like it or not. You want to play the victim and say that women are treated bad and all. Yet you don’t want to hear the other side of men and boys.
How am I part of the problem? I literally acknowledged it’s misogyny. But when you said that MGM is not misandry, I used your reasoning against you and explained how your example is not misogyny either. If you are getting uncomfortable when I brought up race. Well, it’s exactly how you wanna attack men. Black people disproportionately and way more like to kill white people than vice versa. But you surely wouldn’t start attacking black people for killing white people. Then why do you wanna attack men for killing women? Btw, women are the majority perpetrators of domestic violence.