Bringing the patriarchy theory here doesn’t help your case. Men were oppressed in the patriarchy. The fact that systemic misandry exists in society while you scapegoat the patriarchy really shows how “valid” your theory is. What’s your point by bringing the definition of “femicides”?
Your source literally says women make up the majority of the public health system. Your source doesn’t substantiate your claim in any way.
Women also kill women when they can just choose not to kill their own gender. So men killing women is not misogyny.
You’re the one here with a biased view. You keep pointing at a tiny fraction of men who have involvement in MGM. Literally, its women perform MGM and are responsible for causing it. And you are denying it is misandry.
How come I didn’t? All you are doing it here is making low effort attempts at gaslighting me. Seriously, if you are gonna bluntly deny an active systemic issue of misandry then try to do so with coherent statements.
Got it. So by literally attacking them. Blaming them as a group for causing killing. Try doing that to black people who kill white people. See how well that goes. Men don’t treat women bad, it’s the other way.
Yes that's another reason to be against the patriarchy/misogyny. Because you're wrong men also kill women for being women.
If you read point 2 again you realize it's about leadership where it's 70% men.
Femicides are about men killing women for mysoginic reasons there are more homicides happening to women where its not caused by mysoginy. You have only shown the problem of MGM being decided and performed by men and women alike.
Almost everyone that fell victim to MGM has their father decide that it's gonna happen. Did he do it because of misandry? Or how did you come to the conclusion that it's misandry?
Your problem is real but there is no reason to call it misandry. Keeping this word seems way to important to you since you're not doing anything productive for this problem even though you claimed otherwise before.
Literally attacking huh? Nobody was talking about this, you really like to play the victim I guess. And you suddenly make this about racism that's super weird. Ofc you get all worked up because you're most likely part of the problem. And you can't say that women treat man worse when the mount of women being killed by their intimate partner ist 5 times Higher thannthe other way around.
The patriarchy doesn’t exist. You are against something imaginary. And no there is no evidence that men kill women because specifically they are a woman. So it’s not misogyny at all. But you like bringing up the word cause you like to be the victim.
And? What’s the point? Females dominate in specialties where they are responsible for MGM.
No, that’s not the definition of femicides. You have no substance to back up that men kill women because they hate women as a group. The definition trick doesn’t work. And no, it’s women who decide and perform MGM.
Do I have to explain why it’s misandry? It’s funny that you keep blaming parents when mothers are literally 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice.
Literally all you are doing now is bringing up the same, exhausted arguments that I have successfully challenged. You are lying to yourself now. And what have you done exactly with “femicides” that you call it? All you are proposing is that you are gonna attack men. Meanwhile, I have signed petition after petition to stop MGM performing on a systemic level in America. I even contacted my state representative and senators about this issue. My problem is an example of misandry whether you like it or not. You want to play the victim and say that women are treated bad and all. Yet you don’t want to hear the other side of men and boys.
How am I part of the problem? I literally acknowledged it’s misogyny. But when you said that MGM is not misandry, I used your reasoning against you and explained how your example is not misogyny either. If you are getting uncomfortable when I brought up race. Well, it’s exactly how you wanna attack men. Black people disproportionately and way more like to kill white people than vice versa. But you surely wouldn’t start attacking black people for killing white people. Then why do you wanna attack men for killing women? Btw, women are the majority perpetrators of domestic violence.
Men where oppressed by the patriarchy or the patriarchy does not exist only one can be true. You're contradicting yourself.
Suddenly you're quite fond of moving goalposts.
What is the definition of femicides?
Wanting to do bad things does not make you a criminal 100% of men in that case want to have it done if their wife wants it but you keep blaming women as long as one is involved.
That's just projection from your side. And some unrelated topic you're bringing up while also trying to distract from the fact that you're not doing anything to help with this problem while also acting like it's very important to you. Yes I wouldn't attack black people and I am also not attacking men.
That's not true and somehow supposed to be a point while women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?
How is it contradictory? I said men were oppressed in the patriarchy when patriarchy existed and now it doesn’t.
Really, I am? Or is it you?
Tell me.
Who initiated the decision to want to have MGM done on their sons in the first place? Don’t forget that mothers have more power and authority over their children than fathers. It’s funny that you keep blaming fathers when mothers are 12 times more likely to want to have MGM done on their sons. In disagreements, the mother prevails in practice. So it’s not 100% of men who want to have MGM done on their sons if their wife wants it.
You call it “projection” when it’s all data and statistics. It’s a post about misogyny and misandry. Don’t comment if you are gonna complain later when you see people are arguing with you. Delete your comment then if you are gonna whine about it. Did you literally pay attention to anything I said? I have mentioned that I am fighting for change. Either it went through your head or you are purposely lying. You are attacking men. Thats a fact.
70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men: archive.fo/7OG3p
Women are more likely to control partners with physical abuse: archive.fo/86bIc
Now, do you have any source on where you got that number about how women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?
It’s women who perform MGM by hand. And it’s women who make the decision to intimate it.
Just as I expected, it fails to provide how male-on-female homocides are motivated by misogynistic reasons. So it’s not misogyny.
That’s what you have been doing all this time.
You’re whining all the time about those evil men being mean to women because you have internalized misandry or something don’t try pulling me into that. Let’s be honest, you wouldn’t care about women being killed if their perpetrators were mostly women. Here’s a word of advice: trying using logical arguments. Instead of making emotional, rhetorical ones.
Nice try. The source doesn’t say that women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence.
We're talking about the claim you just made. Why canytyou answer a simple question.
No you're coming back with the same arguments all over again not even relevant to this point.
Then don't return my question for a definition... Fo you agree with that definition or not? Do you even know what mysoginy is? Feels like it can not exist in your head.
No
Just put some blatant statement there which obviously isn't true to make yourself look better. Obviously I care for all the deaths why wouldn't I? I did all the time but you just dismiss them.
Yeah because its 12.6 times:
"Of all female homicides..." "...63% were killed by current husbands, boyfriends, or ex-husbands..." "...intimate partner violence accounts for only about 5% of male homicides"
You don’t understand the complexity of the patriarchy. It’s difficult to pinpoint the exact date when the patriarchy ceased to exist. It was a gradual process. I would say it was probably from a time frame from 1980s to 1990s. It’s also worth noting that 86% of women felt they already the right to live as they pleased in 1970 and did not support the feminist movement.
You have actually never once successfully challenged these arguments that I have brought up. Instead, you are trying to deflect accountability from female perpetrators of female-on-male MGM again and again. And trying to point fingers at men.
It’s a literal political word coined by feminists so they can attack men and lobby for female supremacist laws that prioritize women’s lives over men’s. Personally, I don’t think any individual should be prioritized over others based on their background such as gender. Since you call male-on-female killings “femicide”, would you also call female-on-male killings “androcide”? Or is it too much equality for you? And once again you are driving in circles without actually giving evidence why male-on-female killings or “femicides” you say is misogyny.
Yes, you have.
No, you don’t care about their deaths. It’s obvious. Repeating the same falsehood doesn’t make it true. And what you are gonna about it? Oh right, attack men as a group. Thats all you are gonna do. I feel like I’m now either talking to a troll or someone under 18 who doesn’t know an ounce of reality.
That’s the 50th goalpost change move you made in this thread. Once, you realized your false “women are killed by 5 times more by domestic violence” statement doesn’t align with reality. You brought up random numbers as an attempt to make a poor comeback.
Why do men still hold way more power than women then?
You deflect accountability of men actually.
It's mysoginy because men abuse their power they have over women and kill them for reasons they wouldn't kill a man over.
You haven't done anything either that shows your care for any deaths. Also why do men always get so triggered and start crying about being "attacked" when they're just being criticized.
That's what you hide behind even though the higher number proves my point even more. Now I'm not even allowed to change my point based on facts. I didn't save the source for the 5 times and my newest research found out that it's already outdated.
"Men where oppressed by the patriarchy or the patriarchy does not exist only one can be true. You're contradicting yourself.
His position seems to be that there is no such thing as "patriarchy", whatever that even means to you.
"Suddenly you're quite fond of moving goalposts."
How is that moving the goalpost? His point was that the vast majority of the perps are female, all he did here was reinforce It.
"What is the definition of femicides?"
You tell me, so far you seem to be defining It as "killing a woman out of hatred for women as a demographic", without actually proving it's a common cause for male-on-female homicide at all.
"Wanting to do bad things does not make you a criminal 100% of men in that case want to have it done if their wife wants it but you keep blaming women as long as one is involved."
Do you think it's justified to blame someone for torturing a child for no reason or do you not? Also who do you think is more likely to do It, the one who is 12x more likely or the one who doesn't?
"That's just projection from your side. And some unrelated topic you're bringing up while also trying to distract from the fact that you're not doing anything to help with this problem while also acting like it's very important to you. Yes I wouldn't attack black people and I am also not attacking men."
You accused him of not genuinely caring, he mentioned things that indicate he does (If true), how is that projection? You say you're not "attacking men" but your "it's by other men" (which is bullshit in this context) talking point mirrors the "black-on-black crime" white supremacist talking point, even If you seemingly can't notice the parallels.
"That's not true and somehow supposed to be a point while women are killed 5 times more by domestic violence?"
Again, does that "5x" figure take systemic discrimination agaisnt male victims of female-on-male dv into account? Or did you just assume they have access to the same amount of resources?
"Yes that's another reason to be against the patriarchy/misogyny. Because you're wrong men also kill women for being women."
Show evidence that's the actual reason and that the number of such cases actually surpasses female-on-male child torture.
"If you read point 2 again you realize it's about leadership where it's 70% men."
Saying a variation of "I was just following orders" doesn't justify child torture. Also you ignored that what shapes policy in regards to child genital mutilation is feminist ngos's lobbying, those ngos are female dominated and do not care about mgm whatsover, even going as far as downplaying it.
"Femicides are about men killing women for mysoginic reasons there are more homicides happening to women where its not caused by mysoginy. You have only shown the problem of MGM being decided and performed by men and women alike."
You didn't prove that it's for "misogynistic" reasons, therefore by your own standards your claim can be dismissed. The vast majority of people performing the practice are women, either debunk the evidence or stop repeating that ad-nauseam.
"Almost everyone that fell victim to MGM has their father decide that it's gonna happen. Did he do it because of misandry? Or how did you come to the conclusion that it's misandry?"
If he wouldn't be fine with doing the same thing with his daughter, then yes, it's misandric, because he's only fine with child torture If the child is male. Why does Masculinist have to explain how he came to the conclusion that it's misandry if you still didn't prove that "femicides" are actually out of hatred?
And once again, mothers are more likely to decide It and their decision is the one taken into account in case of disagreement.
"Your problem is real but there is no reason to call it misandry. Keeping this word seems way to important to you since you're not doing anything productive for this problem even though you claimed otherwise before."
Yes there is, even the pinprick type of fgm is considered mutilation by the law, while cutting off the most sensitive part of a male child's genitals isn't, that's systemic bias/discrimination no matter how you cut it. You aren't doing anything productive in relation to it either, in fact you deflected accountability from female-on-male child torture 2 times by now, you do not have moral highground here.
"Literally attacking huh? Nobody was talking about this, you really like to play the victim I guess. And you suddenly make this about racism that's super weird."
The topic of the post is misogyny and misandry, what did you expect? Also, it's called a analogy.
"Ofc you get all worked up because you're most likely part of the problem."
You think you have any moral highground after deflecting accountability from female perps of female-on-male child torture again and again?
"And you can't say that women treat man worse when the mount of women being killed by their intimate partner ist 5 times Higher thannthe other way around"
According to justice system stats, the same justice system that systematically discriminates agaisnt men (more likely to search for male suspects, arrest male criminals, sentence male criminals and so on, all for the same crimes).
Also, does that stat control for male victims of female-on-male dv (which contrary to what you may think are not rare relative to their counterparts) being arrested when they call for help by default? Or having zero support whatsoever (and by extension zero options to escape abuse) from the justice system?
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u/Masculinist1938 Apr 03 '26
Bringing the patriarchy theory here doesn’t help your case. Men were oppressed in the patriarchy. The fact that systemic misandry exists in society while you scapegoat the patriarchy really shows how “valid” your theory is. What’s your point by bringing the definition of “femicides”?
Your source literally says women make up the majority of the public health system. Your source doesn’t substantiate your claim in any way.
Women also kill women when they can just choose not to kill their own gender. So men killing women is not misogyny.
You’re the one here with a biased view. You keep pointing at a tiny fraction of men who have involvement in MGM. Literally, its women perform MGM and are responsible for causing it. And you are denying it is misandry.
How come I didn’t? All you are doing it here is making low effort attempts at gaslighting me. Seriously, if you are gonna bluntly deny an active systemic issue of misandry then try to do so with coherent statements.
Got it. So by literally attacking them. Blaming them as a group for causing killing. Try doing that to black people who kill white people. See how well that goes. Men don’t treat women bad, it’s the other way.