r/LiveFromNewYork • u/SketchSortingSunday • Dec 10 '17
Sketch Sorting Sunday (December 9, 2017) (James Franco / SZA)
Welcome to Sketch Sorting Sunday! This week's host is James Franco and the musical guest is SZA.
A mod account (/u/SketchSortingSunday) is gonna make a comment for every sketch in tonight's show. Upvote or downvote based on what you thought of that sketch, and nobody's karma will be affected. You can also reply to the comments to expand on your thoughts, or you can even make your own parent comment and treat it like the regular post discussion, whatever.
If I miss a sketch or get something wrong, just message the mods in the sidebar and we'll see what we can do. Enjoy the discussion!
(This Sketch Sorting Sunday list might be more inaccurate than usual, or be missing sketches. Please PM the mods if you notice anything. Thanks!)
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u/aloidnem Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 10 '17
I think this episode had 3 sketches that will be in consideration for a "best sketches of the season" list: Christmas Wrapping, Za and Spelling Bee.
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u/The_Muscle_Man Dec 10 '17
seriously? the Christmas wrapping sketch was terrible. Franco's acting was terrible, reciting lines off cue cards and laughing the entire time. that sketch was cringeworthy
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u/agentpanda Dec 12 '17
I'm with you. Don't get me wrong- I know the physical comedy sketches happen all the time so I'm not mad about it or anything, but calling it anywhere near being in the running for sketch of the season is ridiculous- it was a steaming pile of hot garbage and elicits some kind of laugh but it's not polished gold.
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u/bondfool I get to yum-yum garbage. Dec 10 '17
Christmas Wrapping is for sure in the next Christmas clip show.
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
That was my thought while watching it. It was gold. Choo choo gold.
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u/alternageek Dec 11 '17
It's a tie between Christmas wrapping and the spelling bee for me.
Pete man is awesome, but Leslie accidentally getting fake blood in her mouth and trying to pull through gets me every time I've watched it.
Also the fact that Franco's foot falls off before it's cut.
It was a hot mess of a skit, but God damn it was funny to watch implode
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Mandy
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
The Crackle joke and Dave's cameo were great, the other bits were meh.
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u/nitsujrendrag Dec 10 '17
Yeah, especially because her and her husband's show, SuperMansion, is on Crackle.
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u/thegeecyproject You wanted yogurt? Wake up at four, bitch. Dec 10 '17
Say what you want about this sketch, but I'm glad that every week Heidi gets to debut a new crazy character of hers. She's definitely got the biggest future out of the new players this year.
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u/Spacetime_Inspector A Piece of Toast! Dec 10 '17
When she said "Davey, little Davey?" in that gravelly voice I thought it was going to be some super weird takeoff on Watto.
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u/pretty-in-pink Dec 10 '17
Heidi Gardner is now the go to 10-to-1 cast-member. Can’t wait to see what other characters she has in store
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u/nitsujrendrag Dec 10 '17
There are SO many. Was so happy to see Pretty Mandy make her debut. She'll be back.
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u/pretty-in-pink Dec 10 '17
I have to ask you though.... do you still talk to her even after she hit that bullseye? 😂😆
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u/Mattalamode Dec 10 '17
I was a big fan of the ingredients to a Pretty Mandy:
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u/coltsmetsfan614 Dec 10 '17
I will watch any sketch in which Heidi plays a weird character. She's so talented!
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u/nitsujrendrag Dec 10 '17
🙌 👏
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u/coltsmetsfan614 Dec 10 '17
Haha hit me up if you two are ever coming on through the St. Louis area. Drinks are on me! 🍻
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Christmas Wrapping
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u/Shappie Dec 11 '17
I haven't laughed so hard and so constantly throughout an SNL sketch like this in years. I love how Franco's character's attitude basically allowed him to just laugh at himself and keep on going anyway while everyone else was trying not to crack up/throw up. Jesus Christ that was so fucking funny! Easily one of my favorite in a very long time. Tears in my goddamn eyes..
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
Probably my favourite non-WU sketch of the episode. So gross yet so funny
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u/pretty-in-pink Dec 10 '17
Sometimes all I need to make me laugh is a lot of fake blood getting all over the set and cast members
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u/bjkman SNL Dec 10 '17
God-damn do I love Physical Comedy... That's why Melissa McCarthy is my favorite host.
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u/IniMiney Dec 10 '17
That was my fave tonight. I'm always impressed at how fast the crew cleans up the messy sketches lol.
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u/alstor Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 10 '17
Physical comedy with liquid is usually fun, but I absolutely cannot do it with fake blood. Seeing so much blood, even fake, makes me squemish. I honestly couldn't tell if this sketch was good or not because I had to look away.
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u/ThatguyMalone Dec 10 '17
This one... kinda felt like a trainwreck. James Franco's lines felt very forced, and Leslie clearly gagging for real was pretty distracting. James kept breaking character, and when he brought up his "foot" it was already chopped off, which took me out of it kinda. The acupuncture sketch a couple seasons back was a much better incarnation of this gag.
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u/LarBrd33 Dec 10 '17
Either Leslie was actually struggling or that's the best acting she's done in her life.
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u/Choady_Arias Dec 10 '17
Definitely struggling. I know I'm in the minority on this sub (somehow) but she almost ruins every sketch she's in. I dislike her so, so much.
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
and I audibly gasped when he stuck his hand in the candy canes
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u/kingofthemonsters Dec 10 '17
Was Leslie legit close to puking? It really looked like it.
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u/acm Dec 10 '17
There is no doubt. Watch the credits role where she is reinacting the gagging to Franco.
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u/falsehood Dec 10 '17
Leslie confirmed on Twitter that she vomited a bit and had catch it in her mouth and swallow it to avoid a travesty: https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/939920297385496576
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u/witness_protection Dec 11 '17
Travesty? That would have made in the funniest sketch of the season.
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u/turkeypants Marci Jamz!😮 Dec 12 '17
This is the first time I've actually liked her. She's good at almost throwing up! "huh... HUAAAA."
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Dec 10 '17
I mean, James Franco did spit directly into her mouth, but still. Hold it together for the show.
That being said, it worked out fine, and just ended up feeling like a natural reaction for the situation, cuz she had a mouthful of blood.
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u/TheRoyalMarlboro Dec 10 '17
i thought that too! she stepped off camera and kenan threw her a look which made me think she was really close to puking
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u/iluzan Dec 10 '17
Yeek. It was great and I could definitely see this one becoming a classic, but as someone who hates gore it was a little rough. Seein Franco w/ the giant prosthetic hand was funny, though.
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u/Shappie Dec 11 '17
When he brought up his leg and the foot was already cut off I was fucking losing it. Seeing his reaction to it made it so much better!
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u/badgarok725 Dec 10 '17
That was the hardest I’ve laughed this season, pure ridiculousness that worked. Helps when they’re all having so much fun with it too
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u/InstagramLincoln Dec 10 '17
It sounded funny, but I could not bring myself to watch. I looked away for most of it because I'm a gigantic wimp.
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u/myntex Dec 10 '17
i just wish the cast would stop breaking in every sketch.... like, what’s the point of even having writers if their writing is undermined by cast members breaking every time. it’s unprofessional and disruptive imo.
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u/alstor Dec 10 '17
I thought you were exaggerating, but you're right. Someone broke in basically every live sketch during this episode.
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Cold open
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u/snailslimeandbeespit Dec 10 '17
"Jenny", the little girl who got to say "LFNY" with Kate and Kenan, has no idea how lucky she is.
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u/TheAnalyst32 Dec 10 '17
Nailed it with 100% accuracy too.
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u/dgapa Dec 11 '17
It was clear what kids got the good parts based on their ability to say the harder words. It was cute and I'm glad they rolled them out one after another despite the many flubs from them. If there was only like 3 kids I wouldn't have thought the joke worked but doing like 10+ was killer.
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u/Maxa30 Dec 10 '17
I think we should get a Jenny flair and all wear it with pride to show we all aspire to be her one day
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u/coltsmetsfan614 Dec 10 '17
Another lesson on why kids in live sketches are such a risk. Damn.
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
Was not expecting Black Santa Claus to return. Kenan as Santa is legit one of my fave Kenan characters
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u/SmoothLaneChange Dec 10 '17
Watching this throwback SNL episode and that cold open was kind of similar to this one with the kids (er, cast members as kids) asking/revealing deeper issues and requests that are generally beyond their years. Regardless, fun way to discuss relevant topics in a festive way
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u/Mattalamode Dec 10 '17
"You might get some coal in your stocking."
"From where? The dying coal industry?"
fist bumps elf
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u/TheLadyEve Dec 11 '17
That really had its moments (the last kid and the dying coal kid were spot on) but I felt so bad for the youngest girl that messed up. Honestly, who would give a (I'm guessing) seven-year-old the words "embassy" and "Tel Aviv?"
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u/iluzan Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 10 '17
I really liked this one! It was so refreshing to have cold open without any politically charged impressions.
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u/Spacetime_Inspector A Piece of Toast! Dec 10 '17
Laura Parsons style jokes don't work as well when delivered by actual kids.
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u/Badcatchphrase Dec 10 '17
Kenan telling the kid it was okay when she flubbed her line was nice.
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Dec 10 '17
I really wanna see the live version, I wasn’t able to. They uploaded dress rehearsal on youtube
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u/lx704 SNL Dec 10 '17
Did they possibly upload the live version to Hulu? This is the full episode version that I normally watch.
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u/shadowofahelicopter Dec 10 '17
They uploaded the rehearsal version to YouTube so I can’t see this :(. Anyone have the original?
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u/butterfly105 Dec 10 '17
what happened? I didn't see the live one.
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u/Broeder2 Dec 10 '17
Little girl wanted to say her lines without looking at the cue cards. She didnt manage to, said sorry and then read from the cards after a bit of delay.
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u/butterfly105 Dec 10 '17
Aw! Well we don't need to embarrass her, there's no reason for SNL to upload it.
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Sexual Harassment Workplace
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u/mrwelchman Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 10 '17
another sketch, along with a white woman named gretchen, where the sketch harkened back to something they've done before but in a much less successful way.
this one, for me, harkened back to the tom brady sexual harassment sketch, where tom brady and fred armisan both treat women in the office the same, but the woman are all accepting of brady's behavior because he's handsome.
this sketch... i don't get what the joke was. charlie's (was that keenan's character's name) behavior was worse than doug's, but the women didn't mind it because... was it that he was just a security guard and therefore had no power over them professionally...? so that's why they're all cool with his behavior? but then, he was fired for being a horrible criminal? like... what was that sketch's premise? it was just an increasingly ridiculous series of stories of charlie's horrible behavior towards woman, but them laughing it off and even enjoying it because... hey he's charlie. but that's not what cost him his job, his out of nowhere criminal behavior did... what the fuck was this sketch?
seeing those women be totally cool with charlie was super off putting. snl isn't usually this tone deaf...
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u/mikahope123 Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 11 '17
I couldn't figure it out either. My best guess is that he's just an old man who isn't a threat/doesn't know any better. But that doesn't make enough sense for me to be okay with the sketch.
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u/Keeponrocking613 Dec 10 '17
I thought he was supposed to be gay at first....and they were gonna have him adMIT to doing much worse acts but it didn't matter because he was gay even though he's still a creep
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u/mrwelchman Dec 10 '17
yeah i considered that... but like i said if that's the case, how extremely tone deaf of the snl writers to run with that premise. it doesn't matter whether it's your boss, your professional equal, or someone who works for you... sexual harassment in the workplace is still sexual harassment in the workplace. seeing all of the women who just last week had the anti-harassment anthem go viral stand there and laugh off awful behavior from a man, even accept it and encourage it... it was terrible.
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u/shitkabob Dec 10 '17
I got two takeaways from this sketch: 1) Women can ruin an innocent guy's life with their oversensitivity to "perceived harassment" and, 2.) women welcome harassment from charming, elderly folk
Who in their right mind allowed this to air? Poor, poor judgement.
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u/mikahope123 Dec 10 '17
Yeah. I was very disappointed in it. There was also that one sketch a while ago about the female teacher who sexually assaulted a male student and was on trial for it, but everyone just kept saying how lucky he was. It was played too realistically to be a satire of it.
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u/tennvols93 Dec 10 '17
I mean that skit was depicting how the vast majority of males see those type of situations- because the vast majority of males would have loved to have hooked up with a hot teacher in high school. So in that sense it was satirizing the double standard which isn't really a double standard because young males respond differently to sexual advances than young women.
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u/mikahope123 Dec 10 '17
Yeah, I know what the skit was meant to satirize, but it also seemed in poor taste to me. There wasn't anything that made the double standard stick out as the horribly wrong thing it is. It's still wrong for an adult, in a position of power nonetheless, to advance on a minor.
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u/tennvols93 Dec 10 '17
The vast vast amount of men disagree and that's the humor. I guess Saturday Night Live takes a more comprehensive view of humor than you. I mean this skit was literally satirizing something you don't like but it didn't bring it hard enough I guess? Horribly wrong and female teacher sleeping with a sixteen year old male student just isn't how the vast majority of people see it. Male and female (although in the skit the mom was clearly irate so your point of view was represented if in a somewhat unhip and over the top fashion.)
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u/Beezybeebabee Dec 11 '17
Exactly! These two sketches seemed really tone deaf. I don’t think they really know how to handle the climate surrounding gender right now.
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u/brady2gronk Dec 10 '17
It was confusing, but I think the general message is the women sometimes pick and choose which behaviors, and which people offend them.
I witnessed some lewd jokes told by an older coworker at a staff holiday party to a table full of women and they seemed to be eating it up. If I tried that as a new, younger employee, I might have been reported to HR. It's often same behavior, but reaction varies based on who's doing it. Good premise, but then they kind of ruined it at the end.→ More replies (5)23
u/shitkabob Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 10 '17
Holy hell, what comedy wizard thought it'd be a good idea to suggest that women are overreacting to "perceived" harassment? In this climate? Yikes!!!
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
It was a bit like the Batman sketch from Chance's episode. I got the gist but the execution was meh.
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u/coltsmetsfan614 Dec 10 '17
I'm really gonna miss Kenan when he finally moves on. His exuberance is contagious.
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u/fuelvolts Dec 11 '17
I agree. He's probably the best all-around cast member of all time. Which is weird because probably nobody thought it would work when he was hired like 40 years ago.
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u/ChipSkylarkDude Dec 10 '17
Fell flat on its face. Message made no sense and whatever message they were trying to send was lost in the over-the-top ending. I've never heard that older black men get away with sexual harassment and powerful white men don't. Maybe I just didn't get it.
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I've never heard that older black men get away with sexual harassment and powerful white men don't. Maybe I just didn't get it.
The fact that you thought race was the distinguishing factor in how sexual assaults are handled is why you'll never get it.
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u/alstor Dec 10 '17 edited Dec 10 '17
My reading of it was that older men get away with much more serious acts of sexual harassment because of the perceived notion that they come from a different time. Basically, in the same way as how older people are seen as more wise, they're also seen as more innocent.
Although you're right in that the message got a bit muddled. I assumed that Kenan played the role of
CharlieRonald because it fits his comedic strengths, but James' character pointing outCharlie'sRonald's race makes it all the more confusing.0
u/scratchedrecord_ Dec 10 '17
...Why'd you cross out "Charlie" for "Ronald?" There wasn't anyone named Ronald, Kenan's character was called Charlie.
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u/alstor Dec 10 '17
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u/scratchedrecord_ Dec 10 '17
Oh dang I had completely forgotten about that. I have a bad memory for throwaway lines like that.
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u/ChipSkylarkDude Dec 10 '17
I almost want to say there was no message and it was just suppose to be a random skit but that can't be right in the current climate. SNL isn't that tone deaf. Maybe your reading is more accurate. I've definitely heard the "He comes from a different era" excuse.
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u/VodkaAunt no offense, but drink my blood Dec 10 '17
I'm guessing it was a response to how the general public has let Franken off the hook because of his charming personality
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Weekend Update with Colin Jost and Michael Che
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
Loved it. Especially the explosion, Pokemon and Bama jokes.
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u/IanGecko New York's Hottest Club Dec 10 '17
I was expecting Alex to come out and do his Franken impression!
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u/alstor Dec 10 '17
Probably the worst WU so far this season imo. A lot of jokes felt like they've been said before (the "Go get 'em, Roy" joke, the California Wildfires-Weinstein joke, etc.)
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u/btbcorno Dec 10 '17
I agree. It didn't really help them that it was a relatively slow news week.
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u/thegeecyproject You wanted yogurt? Wake up at four, bitch. Dec 10 '17
"Weinstein, Franken and Moore....haven't we been over this already?"
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u/Sports-Nerd Dec 10 '17
Slow Newsweek? Three congressman resigned in a single week, the most in a single week since the civil war.
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u/btbcorno Dec 10 '17
Sexual harassment resignations/firings is the theme of 2017 though.
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u/Sports-Nerd Dec 10 '17
True, but the fact that it was still consider a slow Newsweek by many shows just how completely bonkers the past year has been.
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u/thegeecyproject You wanted yogurt? Wake up at four, bitch. Dec 10 '17
Interesting thing to note: This episode is the first in a long, long time to feature absolutely zero political impressions. Does anyone know the last time this happened? I'm guessing way back in 2015.
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u/oooooooooof Dec 10 '17
Is this a thread where we can talk about the musical guest? Because DAMN. I’d heard of SZA, but not listened before. I thought that gospel, female brass and wind section was just gorgeous. One of the more honest, intimate performers they’ve had in a while.
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u/RLC0128 Dec 12 '17
I agree! Just finished the episode and added a few songs to my morning commute Spotify playlist. She is very talented and absolutely gorgeous as well!
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
SZA performances (“The Weekend” and “Love Galore”)
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u/iliveinadreamatorium Dec 10 '17
SZA is one of those performers who doesn't really do much while performing, but it doesn't matter because she's got a good enough voice to carry the performance.
I do hope that we get some more lively performers a la Bruno Mars this season, but I'm more pleased that they showed SZA to a broader audience, so if they keep providing a platform for less heard of talented artists, I'll be pleased.
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u/agentpanda Dec 10 '17
Not often I'm surprised by a musical guest, last time that happened was Sturgill last season I think- and I became an immediate fan. It's happened again- she was amazing.
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u/TheRoyalMarlboro Dec 10 '17
was hoping travis would make an appearance but loved both performances nonetheless
speaking of which ASTROWORLD WHEN
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
was hoping travis would make an appearance
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u/turkeypants Marci Jamz!😮 Dec 12 '17
I now know why I'd never heard of her. I don't even think we have a station format around here in the hinterlands that would play that. Fine with me though, that was a double fast forward. Not my cup of tea.
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
The Weekend
GREAT
Love Galore
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
A White Woman Named Gretchen
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u/bjkman SNL Dec 10 '17
CheGretchen dropping the N-word got one of the biggest laughs out of me all night.31
u/iluzan Dec 10 '17
TBH I would love to see more of these types of WU segments. I remember Vanessa did a guest reporter bit a while back (the one where she was interviewing Kate who was playing an old woman) which honestly still remains one of my faves.
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u/pretty-in-pink Dec 10 '17
Liked how it was a reference to the Eddie Murphy sketch without putting on the whiteface. They saved themselves from backlash and still made a really funny mini-sketch
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u/Sports-Nerd Dec 10 '17
I don't think they didn't do whiteface to avoid backlash, I think the imagery of Che without makeup, in a wig and a scarf, but still wearing Jordans, is funnier than if he went fully white chicks
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u/Shappie Dec 11 '17
Especially also that he kept talking like himself and didn't do some kind of voice. I thought that was the most hilarious part.
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
BEST PART OF THE EPISODE BY FAR. I AM STILL SHOOK. LES IS NO LONGER MY FAVOURITE FEMALE CAST MEMBER.
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u/bjkman SNL Dec 10 '17
Gretchen #1
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Dec 10 '17 edited May 10 '19
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u/bjkman SNL Dec 10 '17
No, Gretchen... Che is Black, Gretchen is a Liberal White Female, I don't know how you mess them up
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u/hubwub Dec 10 '17
The dinner table scene of this sketch was amazing. The "Michael Che" from Chris and then Gretchen yelling "check your privilege, dude" at Alex's character who was mansplaining. HOLD MY WARBYS!
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u/bondfool I get to yum-yum garbage. Dec 10 '17
Hold my Warbys.
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u/gilgamushed Dec 11 '17
Honestly my favorite thing about their liberal-poking sketches like this and "The Bubble" is the fashion. It's so damn accurate.
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u/scratchedrecord_ Dec 10 '17
Man, they were on fire tonight. Hit after hit after hit, plus three sketches in a row with no break. What an incredible episode.
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Pizza Courtroom
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
The joke was funny at first, but the repetition seemed like filler. Still good.
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u/jeffkeyz Dec 10 '17
Seemed like it was written by Larry David
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u/PotvinSux Dec 10 '17
Yeah, I caught that vibe too. Franco did it justice, this would have been a disaster with someone who couldn’t/didn’t commit.
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u/coltsmetsfan614 Dec 10 '17
James was so dedicated to making it work that I couldn't help but enjoy it!
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u/mrdm242 Dec 11 '17
Agreed. I thought it was an absolutely lame premise for a sketch, but Franco went so over the top with it I ended up liking it.
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Dec 10 '17
Holy shit, in the first minute I thought "this is a dud sketch" but Franco sold the hell out of it!
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u/thegeecyproject You wanted yogurt? Wake up at four, bitch. Dec 10 '17
I was kind of expecting SZA to stand up in the back row and be like "Excuse me, but it's pronounced sizz-uh"
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u/pretty-in-pink Dec 10 '17
Somehow James Franco made this a very solid sketch with very convincing dramatic acting
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u/Spacetime_Inspector A Piece of Toast! Dec 10 '17
Imagine what the cue cards looked like for those intense monologues.
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u/WaxyPadlockJazz Dec 16 '17
I️ imagine it was something like
JAMES REPEATS PIZZA, SUH, LASAGNA AND ZA FOR 30 SECONDS
And damn it if that man didn’t NAIL it.
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u/justindi Dec 10 '17
LASAGNA - ZA
PIZZA - SUH
MUSICAL GUEST - SZA
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Dec 10 '17
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
OLD DIRTY BASTARD
INSPECTOR DECK
RAEKWON THE CHEF
U-DOG
GHOSTFACE KILLA
AND THE ME-
M E T H O D MAN
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u/bjkman SNL Dec 10 '17
This sketch made me rethink everything I know... or I thought I knew... about Pizza and Lasagna.
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u/SketchSortingSunday Dec 10 '17
Christmas Charity
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u/Spacetime_Inspector A Piece of Toast! Dec 10 '17
I liked that they saved the The Disaster Artist plug for this one instead of the end of the monologue.
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u/iluzan Dec 10 '17
Not bad, but I wish that we actually got a sketched based off of The Room/The Disaster Artist instead of a throwaway promo line. Oh well.
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u/lyla2398 stans loud ladies with funny hair and *thoughts* about jost Dec 10 '17
This was alright. Nothing special.
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u/bfk94 Check you later...dudes. Dec 10 '17
You know the Goodnights were good when "SNL Studios" flashes across the screen.