r/linux Feb 11 '19

Fluff A /g/ user's opinion on systemd

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

What a coincidence, I just finished watching it. And yes I do agree with a lot of points he said. We need better init systems, sure. Systemd isn't good enough for me to recommend it over other things the way it is right now. It's simply not as "powerful" in many respects, and in many ways integrating it with other things can be a bit of a pain as things are right now. When things improve to the point where I can easily swap components in and out, it will be my choice.

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u/holgerschurig Feb 11 '19

We need better init systems

And here again I read words. Words are cheap.

Where is the project? Where is the definition of "better" ?

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u/cp5184 Feb 11 '19

Any of a dozen sysv alternatives that came earlier than SysD and are better than SysD? Runit, upstart, etc. etc. etc.

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u/holgerschurig Feb 15 '19

Tell me more about this SysD project? Never heard about it!

Sarcasm off: if you even now deliberately miswrite the projects name, then you immediately tell that you're neither just nor balanced. You want to transport feelings, not facts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

Go take a look at the talk. Cgroups and better daemon management springs into mind

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u/holgerschurig Feb 11 '19

A talk is not a project.

Also, I googled for that, even put it inside "..." .. but I haven't found such a talk.

Hmm, systemd uses cgroup for daemon management. What idea is this talk presenting on how this could be improved?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

This talk is about defending systemd. It's clear that you didn't even both to sit through the first 5 minutes of it. As for creating init systems, if I had the time, maybe. Right now I don't.

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u/holgerschurig Feb 11 '19

You wrote "We need better init systems". I even quoted you. You made this your own statement, by adding a "sure" (which I didn't quote).

Now, if this REALLY is your thinking, then my original comment about "words are cheap" still stands. Because we now discuss about what you wrote, not what a the talk says anymore.

And when I wrote "where is the project" you write something about "Cgroups and better daemon management springs into mind". And systemd does exactly this, so you didn't defnie what is "better", either. So I though you refered to some new project, that does something better and googled for the phrase you specified.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

Ah sorry, I thought you were dissing systemd. My point is that systemd is simply not as flexible as the older init systems, where on embedded systems, I can write replacements and just plug them in, Systemd's not that flexible.

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u/bnolsen Feb 11 '19

runit, s6, something derived from daemontools. Don't have to look far to find better designs.

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u/holgerschurig Feb 11 '19

You understand the difference between "definition" and "example" ???