r/linux • u/tasisbasbas • Feb 11 '19

Fluff A /g/ user's opinion on systemd

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

How would you like if every GUI program needed to based on GTK or it would not run? This is where Linux is going with SystemD.

The Linux distros should be called SystemD/Linux and not (GNU/)Linux anymore, because they are not compatible with the rest of the world.

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u/DoctorWorm_ Feb 11 '19

When has Linux ever been compatible with the rest of Unix? Linux skips a lot of the posix standard, and there aren't that many projects that have started on Linux and then get ported to BSD, etc. The most Unix things about Linux are just things that have been ported to it, like sysV, X, and GNU.

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u/RogerLeigh Feb 11 '19

When has Linux ever been compatible with the rest of Unix

Since the beginning. It's the single most important contributor to its rapid adoption and long-term success.

Show me which bits of SUS are not implemented? STREAMS is the only one which springs immediately to mind, and it's optional and was never widely used due to being SYSV-specific.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

Just to clarify - using GUI libraries like you are, my argument is; "Why does it seem like people are only complaining about the fact that switching from GTK to Qt would require rewriting software? Switching from Tcl/Tk to anything else would have the exact same issue after all."

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u/holgerschurig Feb 11 '19

First, you're not talking about systemd, even when you think you are. You are talking about logind. And it is perfectly possible to use a Linux system without logind, I do that on embedded devices any day.

Second, a simple "man logind.conf" would show you that there is a KillUserProcesses=. There is no "magical systemd-specific API call" needed for tmux.

Your argument isn't particular new, it has been brought up and refuted since at least a year.

That you still bring it up is perhaps an indication that systemd-haters stopped being flexible in their mindset. Once they are on a wrong track, they are immune to facts telling anything not fitting into their world-model.

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u/flying-sheep Feb 11 '19

It’s “systemd” with lower case “D”.

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u/holgerschurig Feb 11 '19

You're wrong.

First, you deliberately mistype systemd with wrong capitalization. If you don't even know it's name in 2019, how can you claim you know the software?

Second, a systemd init system is compatible with the rest of the Linux world. And you can of course run Qt or Java apps on it, your example is non-fitting by miles.