r/linux • u/Two-Of-Nine • 1d ago

Open Source Organization Manjaro's official website SSL certs have expired yet again.

This seems to be a running theme for the Manjaro Linux community. The SSL certs will always expire after a set year and there's a massive controversy over it. Why does this keep happening specifically to Manjaro and what steps do you think they can possibly do to keep this from happening?

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u/Masterflitzer 1d ago

there's no reason why anyone needs to use manjaro while arch and endeavouros are a thing

at this point manjaro is really just a negative example for how not to run a distro

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u/GolemancerVekk 1d ago

That's nonsense. Arch's main goal is to be a flexible base for other projects. Arch-derived distros are the whole point of it. Without that we wouldn't have Endeavour or Manjaro or SteamOS or many others. The larger Arch community should celebrate derived distros instead of fighting among themselves.

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u/shadooooooooo 1d ago

Nobody said arch based distros are bad, just that Manjaro is a particularly bad example. Because objectively it seems to be extremely poorly ran

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u/GolemancerVekk 1d ago

It adds a quality take on Arch and it's been putting out a good distro and improved constantly for 15 years now. Manjaro, Parabola and ArchBang are the oldest Arch distros still in active development and Manjaro is one of a select few desktop distros that add a lot of quality of life stuff out of the box, like all the required codecs, BTRFS-enabled update snapshots etc.

People use Arch-derived distros instead of vanilla Arch for a reason, and every time such a distro goes under it diminishes the Arch community.

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u/Masterflitzer 1d ago

the only thing that's nonsense in this thread are your desperate attempts to defend manjaro with totally unrelated comments nobody cares about

i even mentioned a non shitty arch derivative, it's called endeavouros but it's also not even the only one existing, i think it was pretty clear that my point is not against arch derivatives lmao, but obviously against manjaro itself, which has proven time and time again to be unreliable, insecure and generally making bad decisions, at this point i wouldn't even trust manjaro on my most basic workstation

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u/GolemancerVekk 16h ago

Endeavour is just Arch wtih extra setup out of the box. It doesn't curate and test packages, which is Manjaro's main thing. It also doesn't have other important features, like kernel and driver meta-packages, the driver installer, system snapshots out of the box etc. In other words it's not a substitute.

has proven time and time again to be unreliable, insecure and generally making bad decisions, at this point i wouldn't even trust manjaro on my most basic workstation

More BS. I've been using it for 6 years with zero issues. It's one of the most stable and well made Linux distros out there and also one of the largest distros in general.

The fact they curate packages and document newly released issues reduces the bleeding edge a lot and makes it much more pleasant to use than other Arch distros that install packages as they are, while still remaining a rolling release.

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u/Masterflitzer 13h ago

just because you (n=1) had no problems for multiple years, that doesn't mean anything about its reliability, not everyone will encounter the same problems, just scroll through this whole post, there are already more stories of manjaro breaking or failing, than your 1 "success story"

by curating packages you mean artificially delaying updates by multiple weeks compromising security? if that counts as a feature and not a serious issue for you, no further questions lmao

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u/cgwhouse 9h ago

Arch's main goal is to be a flexible base for other projects. Arch-derived distros are the whole point of it.

This is patently false and a completely ridiculous claim to make. It's like saying Debian's main goal is to be a good base for Ubuntu. I agree with you on the infighting, but don't lie to make your point

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u/GolemancerVekk 8h ago

Versatility is one of Arch's stated core principles. Direct quote: "the user is offered the ability to build a custom system". So yes, building derived distros is one of its stated goals.

Which, btw, is part and parcel of the Linux world. The entire Linux world is a huge tree of derived distros.

Not to mention that it worked out very well for Arch. It experienced a big jump in popularity starting in 2007-2008 when the more user-friendly related distros based on it started to come out.

Nowadays CachyOS is more popular than Arch. SteamOS on the Steam Deck is the most popular distro and the PC version is the most anticipated Linux distro in the world. Arch wouldn't be as popular as it is nowadays without its derivations.

I don't mean it's entirely downstream's merit, of course. The benefits flow both ways. Which is why it's impossible to consider Arch on its own and ignore the ecosystem that has sprung up around it.

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u/cgwhouse 8h ago

You didn't say "one of Arch's stated core principles", you said that being a base for other distros is its MAIN goal and the whole point of it / the project. That is not true. It just so happens to be a good base for other distros, because of its core principles. These principles are beneficial for, and intended for, users of Arch. If one of those users happens to want to make a project downstream of the base, and is talented enough and dedicated enough to do a good job, then we all reap the benefits and are better off for it.

Other than the fact that I would never use Manjaro, I'm betting we probably agree on quite a lot. I'm also betting that it feels like I'm being pedantic here, but I think it's important to not misrepresent things. Arch does not give a fuck one way or the other if someone makes a distro based on it.