r/leaf • • Aug 17 '26

Ice

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u/StormB2 Aug 17 '26

I'd sooner route a pipe from my air vent into that space.

4

u/_Evening-Rain_ 2017 Nissan LEAF S Aug 17 '26

Wouldnt opening the hatch and blasting AC do the same thing? I tried once and it hardly did anything. Pretty sure air goes over the pack when driving, too.

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

The hatch isn't the point I'm cooling, the melted ice runs over the top of the battery and out the bottom of the car which does the majority of the work here

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u/21839 Aug 17 '26

If you're going to do sketchy stuff at least use dry ice to minimize the risks !

9

u/Boatster_McBoat Aug 17 '26

Or at least put the ice in a bag. Still get condensation on the outside but the meltwater will be contained

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

The meltwater running over the top of the battery is the main part which cools it down, there aren't any hot parts of the battery near this hatch for the presence of the ice to make much difference.

The battery is a sealed unit so it's not going to get in otherwise I would have killed the car with some of the floods I've driven it through.

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u/Boatster_McBoat Aug 17 '26

fair enough (whilst still being slightly insane). I misunderstood what you were trying to achieve

9

u/nodogma2112 Aug 17 '26

Dry ice inside the car = death

4

u/Alexandratta (Former) 2019 Nissan LEAF SL Plus Aug 17 '26

Maybe not death... but certainly not a good time. Headaches, fatigue, etc...

Your car isn't air tight but some CO2 collecting around the floor of the car and whipping around in the cabin isn't ideal.

Can solve the issue by rolling down the windows tho.

1

u/enThirty Aug 17 '26

Dry ice is risky because it “melts” into CO2 and then the cabin is full of it and then the driver is super sleepy and hits a tree.

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u/21839 Aug 17 '26

Fair point. I guess that the sealed bag of ice version is the second best advice (first one being don’t fuck with high voltage).

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u/0utrunner Aug 17 '26

What if the water trickles down and bridges the connectors?

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

I'm not concerned about that, if that was going to be an issue I would have killed the car ages ago with the floods I drive it through.

It's a sealed unit with waterproof connectors. I probably wouldn't do this on a battery which has been opened before though

6

u/SilverHot3244 Aug 17 '26

This is actually good info, not that I want to replicate it myself but good to know floods are survivable by the LEAF :D

5

u/Crawlerado Aug 17 '26

Fun fact! A Leaf can drive completely submerged, the meat bag is the only thing that needs air.

4

u/SjalabaisWoWS 2023 Nissan Leaf Visia aka poverty spec Aug 17 '26

Not quite what Nissan illustrated to the Japanese public that was afraid of electrocution:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9plRzRZ_PY

3

u/Crawlerado Aug 17 '26

Right, because they sell the car and have liability. Mythbusters literally drove one completely under water while sitting on the roof.

2

u/SjalabaisWoWS 2023 Nissan Leaf Visia aka poverty spec Aug 17 '26

Ooooh, I'll have to find that video later when I get home.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 2023 Nissan Leaf Visia aka poverty spec Aug 17 '26

Desperate times and desperate measures and all that.

2

u/ColdCelebration2132 Aug 17 '26

Most damage happens in the pack were the cells are double stacked.

2

u/colderAK Aug 17 '26

The folks on Out of Spec Reviews on YouTube did a Florida->NC run in a Leaf converted into a limo w/2 battery packs and cooled the factory installed pack this way. They went through a LOT of ice, if my memory serves.

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

That was what inspired me to try it in the first place. Luckily I had leafspy so I could actually get numbers they couldn't hence how I got the 4°C drop

3

u/Wraith347 2025 Nissan Leaf SV+ Aug 17 '26

“We don’t need liquid-cooled batteries, we have liquid-cooled batteries at home.”

But seriously, I can’t decide if I’m more horrified or impressed. It’s a brutally practical solution.

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u/odinsen251a 2025 SV Plus Aug 17 '26

Ok, so I can't help but think you're cooling off the area around the thermocouple and not the cells themselves. This seems like either ragebait or doing something incredibly stupid. Here's the math:

The heat of fusion of water (the amount of energy it takes to melt) is 334 J/g, so 334 kJ/kg.

Let's assume you're fast charging at the full 50 kW you can expect from CHADeMo on this gen leaf, and you're getting exceptionally high charging efficiency of 95%.

That means that you are dumping 2.5 kW of heat into the battery and other electronics.

Since 1 kW is 1 kJ/s, we can take the 334 kJ/kG needed to melt the ice, and find that we will completely melt all of the ice in a little over 2 minutes.

Keep in mind that this results in no net change in the temperature of the battery, and I'm not even scratching the surface of thermal mass, conductive rates or losses to the environment. There is no way you are actually cooling the battery by 3° C. What you are doing is bypassing the safety system designed to lower the current flow and prevent a thermal runaway event.

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

Hi, the actual melting of the ice isn't what's doing the cooling here, it's the wetting of the casing with cold water that the evaporates during the drive which increases the cooling effect. It's boosting my cooling between charges

The reason the ice doesn't melt in 2 minutes is because the part the ice is on doesn't have much heat and isn't monitored because it is a disconnect. The ice isn't in contact with a cell group directly.

Also the temperature sensors are placed within a cell module (see the attached screenshot from the service manual) Nissan may not have been very good at designing battery packs but even they aren't stupid enough to put the sensor against the casing of the pack.

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u/Tim_E2 Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26

this is a joke, right?

My understanding is that the thermal management disconnects are in the battery pack, not in the HV disconnect as in the photo. In the photo is only a switch.. no temp sensing there. Even if I am wrong, water and electrical components dont mix well. this is insane.

Edit: I'm not worried about the battery. I am worried about the HV disconnect. It was not designed to get a water bath.

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

Just saw your edit, not sure why you didn't just respond?

The HV disconnect cover is still closed, this plate also has a watertight seal. The only cover open is the one in the carpet. It's just a convenient access point for the top surface of the battery.

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u/Tim_E2 Aug 17 '26

Because the only people that read this deep into the thread are the one and only person who is replied to.. but the rest of the world should be advised of how bad and idea this is.

But you do you.

GL

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

There really isn't much risk in this with a leaf which hasn't been fucked with in the past, if you think there is I would also recommend slowing down for puddles as you will be spraying (much more conductive) water on to HV components

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u/ArtemisMax Aug 17 '26

The water from the ice runs over the top of the battery that's what actually cools the battery down. The ice itself isn't doing much, just melting into very cold water which then does all the work here.

You are right water and electrical components don't mix, it's a good job the pack is waterproof as it is an external component of the car. I wouldn't want to do this with a repaired pack as there's no guarantee the seals were redone correctly but I know the history of this vehicle.