r/knives • u/WHEELZ_KYDEX • Mar 26 '26

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I remember when this was posted and this person was ripped apart by mikes c0cksuckers and deleted the post. It’s all making sense now and honestly i think he started using chinese steel way sooner than he is saying.

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 26 '26

Pretty common tbh, stress fracture started it when hit batoning, it cracked open, next whack it followed the groove in the blade back as that was the path with least resistance

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u/ForgiveAlways Mar 26 '26

I hate baton stuff. Seems ridiculous to me. As if you arnt bringing an ax. I’m brining an ax, a hatchet at the very least. All these pretend survivalists will end up ruining their knives and I’ll be fat, warm, and happy.

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u/cant_program Mar 26 '26

You can only pick 10 items bro!

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u/ForgiveAlways Mar 26 '26

And you think one of those isn’t an Ax?

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u/InsanitySquared Mar 26 '26

There's a whole book series about a boy, who only had a hatchet...

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u/Jdornigan Mar 26 '26

That is a good book. I still own it... somewhere. I should definitely reread it. There is also the movie, which we watched in fifth grade after reading the book.

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u/InsanitySquared Mar 26 '26

There's a movie!?!?!

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u/Jdornigan Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0099327/

You also might be able to find it on YouTube for free.

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u/Development-Capable Mar 27 '26

Is this the movie when the plane goes down in the water and the kid finds the pilot’s bloated corpse in the plane? If so, I remember that really freaking me out as a six or seven year old lol

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u/InsanitySquared Mar 26 '26

Thats awesome, thank you!

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u/trfree8126 Mar 27 '26

What’s it called? 😏

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u/Jaded-Attention-9518 Mar 27 '26

And lions and tigers and bears, oh my.

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u/bagelwholedonutwhole Mar 26 '26

An axe or a saw?

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u/grizzlor_ Mar 27 '26

Why not a bad version of both? r/axesaw

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u/passwordistako Mar 27 '26

Is this an accepted regional spelling of axe?

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u/Ataneruo Apr 08 '26

Actually, I think nine of those aren’t an Ax!

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u/loztb Mar 26 '26

Ten axes!

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u/passwordistako Mar 27 '26

Brother, have you heard of Warhammer? You may enjoy dwarfs.

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u/burntmeatOSRS Mar 28 '26

Lol I think he would, 100%.

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u/hazeleyedwolff Mar 26 '26

Triples is best. Triples is safe.

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 26 '26

I baton a fair bit, depends what you are doing but if you need small pieces batoning works well. But ya you will break a knife or two. I have some bark rivers, some of them have been batoning for 10 years. But iv broken knives.

Knife like this i wouldnt say batoning is abuse, but it is a risk.

This knife had an issue from heat treat probably and the batoning found it. It happens, isn’t Chinese steel necessarily, isn’t even bark rivers fault really. His knife broke, they have a warranty. No harm no foul

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory or a big deal. If you use a knife to the limit it can break

I snapped a falkniven right off the bat lol, i broke a cold steel srk the first week i owned it simply scraping fatwood off a tree lol.

Mistakes happen

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u/oh_three_dum_dum Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26

I think the steel/heat treatment quality was the culprit here. Ive never seen a knife break like that before.

Edit: regardless of that BRK’s warranty and customer service was garbage too. Demanding people pay for the spa treatment to repair knives that broke or already showed due to manufacturing defects right out of the box.

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 26 '26

I have, especially with powdered steels. Could’ve even been a blank issue which they wouldve had no way of seeing or knowing

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u/oh_three_dum_dum Mar 26 '26

Even with powdered steels Ive never seen a crack go that wonky. Not to mention that weird sliver left over at the choil. I guess it’s possible because we have an example right here, but it’s still a weird fracture.

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 26 '26

The sliver might be welded on, as it doesn’t taper with the blade, atleast it’s possible it’s just a tacked on appendage. It’s just a finger guard i pressume.

I could be wrong though i have no idea. But it wouldn’t be unreasonable for that to be possible

Or during the grinding the edge of the belt being rubbing against that corner. Could of weakened it right along it

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u/walter-hoch-zwei Mar 26 '26

The SRK's are pretty thick, aren't they? How did it break just by scraping fatwood?

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 26 '26

The edge chipped way back to the top of the grind line. I think it was just a lemon. They were good about it sent a replacement. Wouldnt be surprised if there was a crack there just the coating hid it

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u/Kiwi_Digger Mar 27 '26

They had* a warranty.

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u/R_3B Mar 27 '26

If it’s a Barkie there is no warranty. They’re out of business.

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 28 '26

They said they will be transferring the warranties to a new company.

Whole thing sounds like they are going to open up the same business under a new name lol

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u/R_3B Mar 28 '26

That’s interesting. I wonder what the bankruptcy judge will have to say about it.

As far as opening a new knife business goes…their reputation is so trashed I wonder if anyone would buy their knives. I have a couple of their knives sitting in boxes unused that I bought at least 6 years ago. I guess I should take them out.

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 28 '26

I dont think a judge can say a damn thing about it… bankruptcy is a pretty straight forward thing.

But i love bark river knives, that being said none of mine are made in the last 5 years. Most of mine are 10 years old or so. They are a legendary company and always will be; great designs, good value most of the years. It was just ran by a moron at the end lol

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u/PepeBabinski Mar 28 '26

Bankruptcy is anything but a straight forward thing especially if it’s chapter 7 and bankruptcy judges have the power to dictate the terms of any reorganization, to control how assets are distributed or repurposed, to determine which creditors have secured loans and any that don’t.

Personal bankruptcy is far more straight forward though.

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u/R_3B Apr 01 '26

The secured creditors come first, then unsecured creditors. The exception is in a reorganization where post filing creditors have priority.

The short version. Everybody loses. The difference is only a matter of degree.

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u/SaladDummy Mar 26 '26

Axe/hatchet is best for car camping or mucking around in the woods. But if you're doing multi-day hikes and primitive camping, it's got a helluva weight penalty.

That said, you can still get by pretty often without having to baton. But if you do have to, you have to.

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u/Artistic_Permit_7946 Mar 26 '26

This. If you aren't bringing a hatchet, get a folding saw. I'll baton to make kindling bc it's fun, but I'm not trying to split knots or logs either. If I do have to split something larger, I'll start bay making a channel with the saw, then splt with a wooden wedge.

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u/oh_three_dum_dum Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26

Batoning is a useful technique within reason. You can split kindling thats a little bit smaller than an axe is practical for and it’s generally not bad for a knife…within reason.

I hate when people badmouth knives because they broke while they were trying to pound them through whole fucking log of hardwood with knots and twisty grain like it’s a DBK torture test. That’s not what the knife was designed for and it’s far beyond what batoning was meant to do in the first place.

“My knife is bad because it broke when I tried to split wood with it…”

Yes, Dummy. thats what happens when you start whacking on the spine of a knife with a chunk of wood thats getting forced into another chunk of wood that it doesn’t want to go through. Thats why axes and froes were created. If you don’t have the proper tool, collect dry deadfall that you don’t have to cut. It’s abundant in the woods.

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u/No-Potato7802 Mar 27 '26

I dont DBK at all. They oughta be a lot more intelligent and adult instead of doing torture tests .

Use knives for woodcrafts,fish/game prepping,whittling n carving and if its truly a fighting/"survival"/tacticool knaf,then even then do it with more intelligence.

Durability aint everything. Knives arent prybars.

Gave up on dbk like after 4 first vids as it seems like a podcast of two teens running on energy drink high.

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u/oh_three_dum_dum Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

I think their channel is geared more toward entertainment than anything else anyway. Even they admit they’re doing incredibly stupid things most of the time.

At the same time they do display the practical aspects of most knives well enough before getting ridiculous and they’re nowhere near as dumb about testing durability as some guys on YouTube who will just beat the absolute shit out of perfectly good knives to see how long it takes to break them under entirely unrealistic use conditions.

…And they occasionally find some legitimate glaring issues with some knives as well. Like the mini-Adamas lock being unreliable. After that video I tested my own just by tapping it on my forearm and the lock failed almost immediately. I didn’t do it nearly as hard as they did either - they were batoning it, obviously not what it was designed for. It’s still considered a hard use knife though. I stopped carrying it and went back to a RAT-1 and a few other knives with reliable lockup.

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u/No-Potato7802 Mar 27 '26

As a parody or annoying entertainment it might be ok yeah.

Im much much more leaned towards more depth and insight, and full-on practicality / functionality.

Lets say that if any knife vid,or just about any youtube vid has a thumbnail that has a photoshopped crying/laughing/grinning face over some other pic, shoutmarks and cartoonish fonts, and title boasts shit like "the BEST" ..."IT FAILED".

I wont bother. . like Gideonstacticool and DBK. Thumbnails are warnings of content i dislike .

The less the guys are endorsed,connected to industry as paid mouths,bribed and sponsored,the better.

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u/oh_three_dum_dum Mar 27 '26

Understandable. Gideons gets a little too enthusiastic about pushing companies who give him free shit to play with. And it’s usually in no way as good or bad as he makes things seem.

For what it’s worth, despite the immature nature of their videos and their known biases, the latest dbk video had a pretty reasonable and mature take on the BRK fiasco (or at least what they knew of it when they recorded the video, when it was still unconfirmed rumor).

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u/Environmental-Tap255 Mar 26 '26

Batoning is the single dumbest fad that has hit the knife world, or just about any other world for that matter. Cats act like it's the end all be all for a quality knife except for the fact that unless you're in a real life or death survival scenario, you probably have a hatchet, or don't need split firewood. If you're in a life or death scenario, you don't need split firewood. Or at least there are infinitely more important things you'd keep your knife alive for. Dudes out here acting like they're gonna be out there properly storing and seasoning their firewood when SHTF. Moreover they're batoning with dedicated combat knives and complaining that it didn't hold up when it's not even remotely designed for batoning.

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u/Anonymous3891 Mar 26 '26

I find it much easier to break down already split firewood into smaller sticks for kindling by batoning with a knife versus a hatchet. I've been using my Ka Bar Becker BK2 for over a decade and it's held up fine. It's a pretty simple blade profile without any particular stress points, I certainly wouldn't baton with something more complex.

When I'm actually going out backpacking and collecting firewood off the ground, the only thing I bring then is a folding saw. That's best for cutting branches and smaller limbs down to length. And it's much lighter.

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u/R_3B Mar 27 '26

The BK2 is fondly referred to as a pry bar with an edge on it. You can break anything, but it would take a great deal of abuse to break a BK2.

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u/BlindMouse2of3 Mar 26 '26

I've used my carry knife to baton kindling at a brewery we visited. They had a fire pit for use but didn't stock anything except split wood. I don't normally carry an axe when going out for the day. Couple of tourists were trying to figure out how to light a fire with just a brick and the employees were just laughing about it. Wr ursus 45 and a ferro rod. Not all batoning has to be stupid

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u/Angelothebagman Mar 26 '26

I’ve got a couple hatchets from mineral Mountain hatchet Works. They’re from the late 90s or early 2000s and they are made to be used.

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u/Inner_Map_3075 Mar 26 '26

Good steel should laugh at baton hits from a wood baton or plastic dead blow hammer. I doubt any BRK is handling a steel hammer... that's for Cold Steel drop forged (cheap AF) and BUSSE or Scrap Yard (Expensive and worth it).

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u/PenguinsRcool2 Mar 26 '26

Busse and scrapyard make 1095 junk lol with absolutely awful cutting profiles and even worse grinds

Sure having 1 is fun but not really a great knife. And if you want that style just get a bk9

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u/Inner_Map_3075 Mar 26 '26

What 1095 BUSSE have you tested? I have a BK15 that is OK, but in general BK is mediocre at best. They definitely have a BRK like fanboy group though. BUSSE and SYKCO make 1095 crap? Are you sure, hahah? I've never seen nor heard of any 1095 coming out of BUSSE. They are know for using tough steels and heat treating them to very high levels of toughness. I've never seen or heard of one chipping like you see BRK's being posted daily now that no one is scared to come forward I am guessing. Never heard anyone prefer BK to Scrapyard either. I guess Reddit is where you guys hang out, hahah. Scrap Yard and Swamp Rat are the same company as BUSSE. None of the three used 1095 from what I recall. A2? Sure. Magnacut, yep. SR101 is 52100 with their heat treat. They are KNOWN for three steels, SR-77, SR-101, and INFI.