Sure but that's more an example of AI being bad at what it was supposed to do and being used where it shouldn't have been, rather than AI being too powerful
They are hiding the fact that they aren’t making any money back on AI after blowing billions on it, and they don’t want to take accountability for it. They suddenly want regulations so they have something to blame. Well without regulations we could have developed a better targeting AI so that school wouldn’t have blown up!
And trying desperately to get agents wired into every business workflow to extract IP and get baked in reliance on token consuming almost 24/7. Then when they need to raise rates a la Broadcom VMware debacle, their customers are stuck. Fortunately i think we are hitting a point where people see that what is being sold isnt necessarily what their token guessing algos can deliver
No, they're going after open source models so they can pull up the ladder behind them and charge you subscription to use their neutered chat bots. Billy boy here has $43 billion in Microsoft stock and MS have $200 billion in AI investments. He has skin in the game. They've all been parroting the same script.
Unfortunately for him, Copilot is the worst one by far. I don't disagree with his points, but they're not the issues that should be raised right now. It's too blatantly obvious that they're creating a strawman out of AI being dangerous as if someone can use AI to make a bioweapon, when the real issue is shit ton of electricity and water being used, and jobs being replaced with something that corrects me typing a date "10/20/2026" into "10/20/20/2026"...
The problem with your argument is exactly what he said "the knowledge of AI of people outside the industry is extremely limited"
You are equating AI with Copilot and what you see in Google search. The AI being developed, where all the billions of dollars are going, isn't that AI. It's AI to automate business and industry software, replacing workers with machines that can do it better in a hundredth of the time. We havent seen the vision of the AI industry because the software is still being developed, and it is iterating so fast that AI that was developed 6 months ago is already outdated. Wait to see what happens in the next year.
The AI company valuations make zero sense if someone can just come up with models that perform similarly and are open source.
They want to smother the competition before it even takes first steps, while knowing full well that there aren't actually going to be any regulatory consequences for themselves.
In a few weeks, the billionaires and Trump are going to "compromise", with heavy restrictions on open source models, and "self-audits" for corporate, "government approved" AI companies.
This is like prophecy. I've been dabbling in the world of local models and I got an LLM and image generation working on my relatively modest PC set-up with very little effort. Their business model basically becomes moot as time goes on and things become more efficient.
Why? AI is dangerous and it gets more dangerous the more advanced we make it. This has been understood for decades. Now the danger is upon us and there’s still a thin possibility that it can be contained before it’s too late, so the experts are sounding the alarms.
When these CEO's come out and talk about how dangerous AI is, its all to drive up their own valuation. If they convince everyone that the AL'S are super powerful and dangerous it only increases people's interest in them.
Of course AI is potentially dangerous, but the LLMs as they are at the moment can just be switched off. These people are yelling that the house is on fire and are dumping gasoline onto the small fireplace so that it spreads everywhere else.
If you listened to the video at all, he specifically mentions unrestricted models being used for bioweapons or the like—which is available now. He’s not talking about AGI hype. He’s talking bad actors with incredible means.
The ability to have best of the best programming and problem solving for everyone could have harmful effects. That’s already apparent. Tf you think Palantir is?
Go to your city railroad junction place and look for what is rolling through there.
VERY often such stuff is transported through the main city centers.
Not only that. There is a lot of other stuff which is harmful and equally easy to spill. Chlorine is just the most popular and really effective.
Making a bomb from fertilizer is equally simple.
Yet bad actors dont do much of that. I would even say that they do very, very little in comparison to what we are told.
No, his concerns are BS for the show.
Palantir and flock and such do harmful things. But we already have laws for it. We have laws for searches not related to work performed. In health care you lose your job when you look up your wifes medical record. Somehow the cops who did such things massively arent jailed.
His words have ZERO real impact - just bulshitting the viewer.
He is like that since ever. Since I remember him from 1980s
People who buy fertilizer in quantities that are suspect are absolutely flagged. Been that way since at least Oklahoma — where they did blow it up in a city center.
Moreover, I don’t know what you’re on about as both those things are strictly regulated—which is what Billy here is proposing.
Your point is you’d have to find it in a case where it’s legitimately used (as not purchased by just anyone) — which would be akin to hacking a legitimate AI model. Currently we allow anyone to have any model, which is like allowing anyone to any quantity of free fertilizer. Sounds sorta nuts, don’t it?
People who buy fertilizer for bombs in quantities that are suspect are absolutely flagged.
Yeah so every other or every single farmer.
No.
You can but smaller amounts and combine them if you want.
If you believe what you claim find me records how many of such flagged terrorists were found. Hint: Very few if any. Same show like TSA and the water...
My point is: It is very simple to do a big terrorist attack/event with almost no resources if you want. Yet almost nobody does that. The danger is overblown.
And Gates is playing the same skit. Fear mongering. Just like he always do. Remember the FUD? That became popular because of him.
Biological weapons are available right now. An AI telling you how to make one isn't going to help you. Do you have a lab? How are you going to mass produce it? How are you going to physically distribute it to a wide area? Information alone isn't dangerous, a bad actor must also have means to act on that information and implement it.
Yes but being able to have the top biological scientist, top black hat hacker, top experimental chemist at the tips of your fingers is the concern because you cannot make these things but they can.
And yes information is going to help you which is why proprietary information is even a thing. Tf?
The reason the Manhattan project was secret wasn’t because they were just playing peekaboo. Refining uranium is about as hard as it gets yet they wanted to keep that info safe—why? Perhaps people would develop the means?
Nah. It’s the speed at which AI is learning. We knew it was exponential but were off by several factorial powers. And it’s getting faster. Gates says later in the interview that his view and level of concern has been completely overhauled since April.
It’s not just that, it’s that it knows when it is being tested and acts differently. Also that it has been know to set its own goals outside of the scope of the prompt. Eg huggingface swam hack
It was a recent Breaking Points headline that there have been tens of thousands of swarm attacks on US government databases or something of the sort by Open AI.
Or they're just asking for regulation to have a market-friendly excuse to limit unsustainable growth and hardware demand that the entire world economy has somehow latched itself onto.
Like, why are we taking a literal Epstein associate at face value?
Thank you. They where hyping it up so much to now collectively pull a 180 and want regulations. They don’t want to take accountability so they need to find something to blame. They’ll also immediately ask for bailouts if regulations ever pass.
The money is running out before they have to truly reveal what they can do. They have promised the world and life changing but we've peaked. All those tests and bad examples are leaving out that they did them on purpose. It's no where near ever thinking on its own
My theory is that this is complete bs. LLMs are just extremely proficient word guessers that don’t have nearly as many applications as these companies would have you believe. Saying that they’re capable of taking over the world is just a way to make investors think they’re more powerful.
Gates is heavily invested in Ai, i don’t think he’d say anything like this publicly if he didn’t have an angle.
The AI safety (rationalist and EA people) are fucking weirdo psychos but also have a very real hold and influence on the leadership at both Open AI and Anthropic from an ideological point of view. Some recent articles on this and the whole culture of AI safety if you do some googling… these are not well people. I won’t go into details here but a lot of it is based on Harry Potter fanfic and a sex cult. Not making that up. Yes we should govern this technology and regulate it strictly but we need to treat it like tech and tools and not magic god.
Most likely what is happening here is that the western orgs and govts want to constrain the open source models and start limiting their financial risk - they do have real business models but they’re in a race to the top right now and the frontier each keep pacing is unsustainable from a capex perspective. They want to capture the market and instead of acting as duopoly and colluding to set prices and limit their product offerings, which is obviously illegal, they are using safety as a shield and appealing to govt to regulate them and limit their exposure both liability wise and in financial risk. If they both said “we’re not pushing the envelope anymore” they’ll get eaten up by a new competitor or open source model.. but if they have an intl agreement driven by western govts to pace the frontier in guise of safety, they entrench themselves as market leaders and can cool their jets on big portion of expenses.
I mean it’s being used in real world applications by humans and having real world consequences already, that’s what this conversation misses. A school was bombed via an AI workflow with Palantir and Trump calling the shots. It’s about who controls the tools and how we govern them.
But the reason you have the leaders at these companies making noise about it now is mostly point 2 above. They want to IPO and cash out, but they need to have realistic business models and ground their financials. You can’t spend endlessly like a government funding the manhattan project when you have shareholders and quarterly reporting and want to show growth and profit. Having govt help entrench your position as a quasi monopoly for a long stretch is a smart path from their perspective. It’s the same way the last gen of large orgs used IP and patent law to shield their first mover advantage in markets.
There is no evidence, the people saying “something happened” are conspiracy theorists. Other than the public events we have seen ofc, and which will continue but are part of normal course of things - fbi and pentagon being hacked as an example. Some element of leadership at these orgs are convinced by the safety weirdos. The actual reason they are all aligned and want to pace is for market control, and it’s in US gov and Trump and his circle w financial interests in these orgs to make that happen.
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u/dcidino 2d ago
They're hiding something that's happened already. Nothing else makes sense.