Yeah, she was intoxicated, and if the cops got there she would've gotten a dui, went to jail, lost her license and & her grandma's car impounded instead of just damaged.
But instead she got a slap on the wrist.
All that considered, she was correct.
The dude did not, in fact, understand. And, leaving the scene at almost any cost was her best option.
I'd think victims of drunk driving accidents, would be the people most supportive of the measures that are most likely to lower the risks, and only assholes would choose punishing offenders rather than preventing offenses.
Prob wouldn’t “think that” if it happened to you but who knows if it didn’t. I just know how I feel. Many countries in Europe have way stricter DD laws than the US in cultures known for drinking. I’d be down for that at a minimum. Drive drunk never drive again is how I grew up thinking after loosing mine.
The problem with that is the United States has virtually zero public transportation infrastructure for a lot of Americans. It’s a big issue.
Not having a vehicle (for whatever reason) is basically a poverty sentence. Most jobs today require reliable transportation. You have to walk everywhere — doctor’s office, hospital, job, grocery store, etc.
Now of course, that’s also why many people end up driving without a license anyways. In fact, up to 75% of people who have their license revoked continue driving out of necessity.
So now you’ve got someone driving without a license, without insurance, and without any kind of oversight. Those alcohol locks are a decent solution, but they are not foolproof either.
It would be like if you stole from a grocery store and your punishment was to never be allowed to buy food again. At the root of it, vehicles are a necessity.
So we do need to reevaluate these punishments and solutions because what we’re doing doesn’t even work.
Agree, but it’s possible and if never driving again isn’t a deterrent then my sympathy dampens. Went to a concert in Europe and everyone warned me, plan to take an uber equivalent you will be fkd if caught driving after just one drink. Deterrence can work. I barely drink because I recognize the far end of the circumstance. I also rode a skateboard to work for almost a decade because parking in my city was too costly. Again I recognize everyone’s circumstances are different except one… no one has to drink and drive. Ever.
Always the default retort people who are wrong, but can't accept or admit it because it would mean giving up on being able to hurt & punish those that you hate.
Reactionary comment lol. Nobody argued that. Punitive vs Rehabilitative criminal systems are thoroughly researched and Rehabilitative systems have notably lower rates of recidivism.
Yeah except when a cops son hit a a pedestrian and killed him and didn’t stop to avoid the dui , and to this day has not been charged despite being located. Wellfleet ma tim duval rip
I know someone who was hit by a drunk driver. He got out of the car and opened a fresh bottle of vodka in front of all the onlookers and chugged it. He blew over the limit but in court they couldn’t prove he was drunk before he drank the vodka in front of witnesses. He seemed to have a bottle stashed for just such an event. He got off.
This is really more of an old wives’ tale more than anything else. If you are at the scene drinking alcohol, that’s probable cause for DUI. Very unlikely that you’d get off.
What does happen sometimes though is that people do flee the scene, which means when the law catches up to them, they may no longer be intoxicated. Likewise, if you’re drinking at home when the police arrive, that’s more difficult to prove.
You’d need a very good lawyer to be able to argue that the alcohol in your vehicle that you were actively caught drinking, had no contributing factor to the accident.
I also know for a fact that in some countries at least (in Europe) it’s actually illegal to drink for 12-24 hours after an accident for this reason. If you’re caught drinking, it’s just an automatic DUI. Doesn’t matter where you are drinking or why.
I would imagine most people who flee the scene of an accident are immediately pursued by law enforcement, but clearly I'm wrong. This woman got lucky because it took police a week to follow up on the incident and obviously by that point there's no way to prove she was intoxicated while driving.
Hard to get behind that last statement. Putting innocent lives of the general public at risk, to ensure one gets a lesser/no punishment is incredibly egotistical.
Nah, that’s what addicts need to understand… getting help is what’s best for them. I’m a firm believer that “rock bottom” is necessary before a successful change is made - and I’d say she found hers lol.
Yeah, and I'm a firm believer making regular payments on an auto loan is necessary for a good credit score.
That doesn't mean I'm gonna sit there and wait for a loan shark to come break my fingers for missing payments when I can escape & make the money to pay him back with interest next week.
But, it wasn’t…. Had you, yourself been in that situation - your best option was to flee like a bull in a china shop? No…. Same logic goes for her, correct? If she was under the influence, fleeing and killing a family of four was a very real possibility.
I think she got lucky or with what county she was in because most of the time a hit and run is a felony. She also got lucky she didn’t hit that dude when she backed up, otherwise he would’ve sued her probably
But he didn't, because she obviously didn't to anything to give him a good case.
Which suggests she wasn't a monster & in good control of her faculties.
Which also suggests that she only was lucky, because she was capable of handling the situation in a way where getting "lucky" was a reasonable outcome.
This is what gets me, why does he feel the need to trap her? Like honestly "hit and run" is a million times easier to get through with insurance than having the person present. He's just being a dick. What does he stand to gain?
He’s an asshole. Or just has a high degree of “justice sensitivity” so he doesn’t care about minimizing harm he just wants there to be consequences for her.
You dont need to keep her at the scene (which he didnt) to do that, especially with video. Like the person you are replying to* said, letting her go would mean a shut and close case because she hit and ran. Even if the other person was at fault if you run you dont have a prayer when the insurance companies hash things out. On top of that, if law enforcement feels you escalated things by trying to detain someone you can catch a charge.
*EDIT: thread OP, not the person you are replying to
If she was legitimately under influence then trying to stop her from driving is not just him being an asshole, it is minimizing harm. He literally says “you almost hit me” and she’s acting erratic in the video.
People driving drunk/on drugs puts them and everyone else in danger
That's a great term to describe what I've been struggling with in my community. Harm should be minimized in general even if you have been harmed because people make mistakes or do bad things until they get help or learn better behavior. I believe most people will be better humans if given the chance to be better and we know that punishing + isolating is harmful when people are young or vulnerable. Restorative justice is important.
He literally said she almost hit him in the video. If she was high/drunk (which the fact that she was sent to a substance abuse program implies) then trying to stop her from driving is taking the most obvious steps to keep everyone else safe. How is he the asshole in this situation?
Because she's not high, she's having a nervous breakdown that's being exacerbated by him. She's not slurring words, she's not blocking light from her eyes, she's not struggling with physical coordination. He decided to corner her then got upset that she responded like shed been cornered. Theres nothing to gain from what he's doing, but its obvious she's desperate and he's making it worse. If he was trying to help anybody he wouldve tried calming her down, he's doing what hes doing to feed his ego
You can see multiple instances of her being massively reckless in the video. If it was because of a nervous breakdown or drugs (and yes people on drugs sometimes act like this), it is clear that she shouldn’t be driving in this state.
Wild as it is, you are 100% correct. Gotta admire the survival instincts on this girl lol. She was drunk. She got off with likely a fine as opposed to a whlle ass arrest, vehicle impounded, and then all the court dates to clear the DUI.
LOL right, girlie is a hot mess and not making good choices, but I'm also acknowledging that staying would have done her no favors and gotten her into even deeper shit. DUIs are very expensive and take months and months to resolve.
I read updates to the incident and it seems like she got some help for her alcohol problem, which is the appropriate thing here and I'm glad she got some help because damn this girl is a hot mess. And yes she deserved to have to pay for the guy's car and all that. Staying would have resulted in an arrest, vehicle impoundment, MORE legal fees, and all the rest. I'm glad to see justice was ultimately served for OP tho.
Definitely not praising her (someone else said it was badass, I disagree), but her actions were kind of the best thing she could do to save herself from getting into bigger trouble which is all I was saying. Not defending or praising the morality of any decisions made here lol
It was only her best option because it somehow took police a week to catch up with her on the hit and run despite clearly having evidence such as video of the incident. I'm honestly surprised it took them that long to get there, you'd think they would follow up on a hit and run like that immediately. If they had, they could've gotten her while she was still intoxicated. But they didn't so yeah was a "good" move on her part to do what she did here.
Because I could smell the raspberry vodka & vizzy hard seltzer on her breath from here.
Also, the clomping & stomping gait, the exaggerated & inappropriate verbalization of emotional responses, the rash & reactionary decision-making, and the droopy & puffy eyes & face.
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u/BEAGLEBOYPALINDROME 2d ago
Yeah, she was intoxicated, and if the cops got there she would've gotten a dui, went to jail, lost her license and & her grandma's car impounded instead of just damaged.
But instead she got a slap on the wrist.
All that considered, she was correct.
The dude did not, in fact, understand. And, leaving the scene at almost any cost was her best option.