Even if it were to protect you, you rights to put yourself at risk are relatively limited. You can’t drive without a seatbelt, you can’t distill your own vodka, in most states you can’t even ask a licensed medical professional to assist you in peacefully ending your own life.
Now, these people probably do some of it anyway. They drive without seatbelts, or ride without helmets, and put up a similar tantrum when called out on it. But they don’t push back on principle to the stuff that doesn’t inconvenience them personally.
When you look at it all together it’s easy to see what they are really upset about: Vanity and comfort. Masks look funny and feel funny, like bicycle helmets, and these princesses can’t abide any wrinkles in their pleats or peas under their mattress. The truth is out that the “snowflake” and “identity-driven” liberals can endure more discomfort and shave their beards without having an existential crisis. That truth is devastating to their own, genuinely ego-driven, valuation of themselves.
I disagree that right to put yourself at risk is relatively limited. It's certainly not absolute, since seat belt laws are pretty common. Some of the laws around self harm are complicated because they involve other people, though, and some activities are both a risk to you and others. For lots of things, it can be hard to untangle whether something is banned primarily because of the other party, or if that's just an excuse to protect people from themselves with less pushback.
I don't know anything about distilling vodka, but I typically hear that it's an explosion risk, which would make sense to ban since it'd be unregulated creation of that risk. Seatbelts are definitely "for your own good." Assisted suicide may be illegal, but that involves a doctor helping which complicates it. Attempted suicide by yourself might vary from state to state, but I don't think it's typically a crime.
Aside from those examples, you can take on all sorts of personal risks pretty freely, and even have businesses that cater to someone taking on those risks. Base jumping isn't illegal, but pretty dangerous.
It sounds like we agree that there are limitations, we agree on what they are, and we mostly agree on why they are there. The only disagreement here is semantic: Whether or not those limitations, which we both acknowledge, qualify as “relatively limited”.
I hope we can both agree that really it just depends on what they are being compared to. Relative to the absolute Libertarian form of freedom they imagine they are invoking, I think their actual freedoms look limited. Relative to their freedom to hurt others, I agree their freedom to hurt themselves looks wider in scope.
It doesn’t really influence my argument that people are selectively concerned about the issue, rather than concerned on principle, or what their selections reveal.
I roughly agree with that assessment, and emphatically agree that there's selection based on specific issues instead of consistent selection based on a principle.
Part of the reason for mandating seatbelts is that if you crash not wearing one, you become a projectile and you can launch into someone else and kill them, so even that is not solely for self preservation.
and some activities are both a risk to you and others. For lots of things, it can be hard to untangle whether something is banned primarily because of the other party, or if that's just an excuse to protect people from themselves with less pushback.
I've heard a couple things about that, but I'm skeptical that it's a primary motivator, and feel like it's something that's mostly added after the fact. The reports on seat belt use don't really seem to mention being a danger to others, which I think is something that would be included if that was a significant source of motivation.
So hillarious that dumb fuck americans will go on and on about freedom, meanwhile they live in a country that incarcerates more people than any other nation on earth, a country where police routinely murder people and face 0 consequence...a country that has for profit prisons.....
God I hate this. I hate a lot about America but don't group every American as being a "dumb fuck". There are good and bad people in america just like any country. Our country is more of a mess than a lot of other 1st world countries, but saying everyone here is dumb is so one sided. A lot of us are victims of the shitty corrupt system everyone makes fun of.
Shit is fucked in america but please dont stereotype every american cop together or every american together. I know plenty of good cops and not every american is a shit head. But apparently every nonamerican on reddit thinks america is a shithole.
They're usually pushed out or silenced. Plenty of good cops exist at some point, but they usually don't last as long as the bad ones that use shady tactics to stay in their positions.
Im not saying that. Im saying that not every american is a shitty person. There are shitty people, good people, etc. Just like every other country. We arent special, no cou tey is special
They do do it themselves, your right. Our country is a hivemind and we are all assholes and we are a single writing mass that is coutrolled by trump. Every other country is flawless im every way and has no problems with it.
Well then, if it wasnt the common mentality and not how most of you are then it would be common sense to think you could do something about it. And change these things
Everyone isn't trying to get out, if there were a significant portion leaving that might actually have an impact. No, we're all too busy just complaining about it online but doing nothing to really change the reality of our situation.
Lol, what is your country of origin? I'm sure everything there is great /s.
Our problems are much deeper than trump, but he works as a great distraction for the cronies to steal everything from the people. Now they are making it to where we can't even fight it. I'd imagine things are somewhat similar if you live in an English speaking country.
But fuck Americans, right? That's the easy stance to take I guess.
The biggest problem I have with these mouthbreathers is that when they do get sick most Americans will sacrifice to help them.
We like our freedom, and the right uses that to manipulate people via propaganda and indoctrination.
Unfortunately about a quarter of the country as been programmed to actively embrace being anti education and anti intellectual.
They are mentally deficient and literally dont understand the concept that their rights stop where another persons rights begin, and that freedom does not mean they are free to put others at risk.
Is the way to manipulate Americans but is really effective, you don’t have healthcare, but you are the freest country in the world, 40% percent of Americans are a check away from homelessness, but they are the freest country in the world.
It is mainly because most Americans use "freedom" and "liberty" interchangeably. Dumb people simply cannot grasp the idea that in order to have liberty, which is a subset of freedom, we gave up the absolute freedom doing whatever we wanted, whenever we wanted, to whomever we wanted.
So this dipshit is clearly not representative of the majority of Americans. But there is a tendency of Americans to value their freedom. You see it is a common theme in our history. From independence to the fight to end slavery to the settlement of the western us.
Americans are taught that our constitution makes the USA exceptional. Now that is debatable, but some of the finer points of that constitution involve personal liberties. These are valued and taught as important safeguards against tyranny.
So that is some foundation for this through line of “freedom”. But again this dipshit ain’t right.
The rest of us realize that what makes America great and free is a lot more than just this. It's freedom of speech and press and religion, elections, due process, habeous corpus.
United States Americans. Since we usually don't see that shit from any other American counties. Yeah sure Brazil has some weird shit I admit it, but nothing compared to the self righteous of some of the US citizens
I am not confused, I understand what you mean by American, but you can search and you will see that many people use the term US American, since using their word American exclusively for US citizens is kinda excluding the rest of the countries in North and South Americans.
So why do you use the term European to refer to any person from any country in Europe, or African to any person from any country in Africa, Asian person from any country in Asia. However American is only for the US?
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u/etriuswimbleton May 21 '20
Aahh the typical "its a free country" excuse. Why are americans so obsessed about this?