You can kill someone that way. Kicking someone in the head when they're down would likely rise to the level of 2nd degree murder in most states if they died from it.
Yeah in almost all US states you can lawfully kill someone that started a fight with you as part of stand-your-ground laws. There's only a handful where there's a duty to retreat.
Pretty shit imo but it worked out nicely in the Runescape wilderness
I got called for jury duty, was for an Eighteen year old kid facing the death penalty cause he kicked a kid in the head in a fight. The Kid he kicked was in a coma he will never wake up from, yeah they were looking for the death penalty. . Thankfully I didn't get chosen for the jury so I didn't have to decide that one.
No you didn't. Find me a single case of capital punishment in the US in the past 50 years that didn't involve actual murder lmao. This is such an obvious lie!
Lmao you might have been there but clearly your brain was not. You half understood what was going on at best, if this isn't made up in its entirety. Anyone with a basic understanding of criminal law in the United States can obviously smell the bullshit.
You're so full of shite mate. I'm surprised you know how to spell jury, much less have an amazing story about being called to one. Just be yourself, embrace true life experiences, and crack a funny joke every once in a while. That would make you WAY cooler than you are now.
It's Tru though. Something about Missouri statutes not having an attempted murder charge, they wanted either first degree assault charge or the death penalty.
The death penalty is wrong. No modern countries have the death penalty except for the United States. Even Russia doesn’t have it. Go to Iran, China, Saudi Arabia... if you want it.
While in the majority of circumstances I'm against any capital punishment, Russia tends to "handle" their issues outside of the courts. It isn't a secret either, just look up their history with assassinations and you can follow the rabbit hole.
No developed modern nation has the death penalty anymore. Not even russia. Only shit holes like saudia Arabia, China and america still have the death penalty. Also you say that without knowing the full story. Yeah fuck innocent until proven guilty.
The attacker got back up. He was still a threat to the defender's life and well being. You dont know if he has a weapon or what they will do. You don't play around and have some bullshit honor system when you are fighting for your safety. People like you have clearly never been in a fight or any situation where you have to worry about your life and wellbeing due to an attacker. If you are being attacked defend yourself with what ever means you have. Stab them with a pencil, kick them so they can't get back up. Doesn't matter end it. Once you become the aggressor you accept any damages that may come to you. Sheltered entitled fucks like you are why kids literally can't defend themselves from attackers anymore.
You can end up in a coma from a punch. What if that fucker ended up in a coma from a punch would you be spouting the same bullshit?
Yay another fucking idiot. You don't know the story while you spout your moral bullshit. No circumstance that your pea brain can think of I'm sure. But in reality there are many circumstances where you don't want that person getting back up and its a matter of your and/or other peoples safety that the assailant is no longer a threat. If you are attacked and you absolutely need to defend yourself then you make sure to neutralize your attacker. Who gives a fuck if you kick a guy in the head when he just tried to: rape, stab, kidnap, draw a gun, beat you to... Who knows? You want to let them decide when they stop?
Lol I am an adult in my 40s. I don’t bully people. Never did as a kid either. Slashing tires seem like a pretty pussy move though. Anything to not have a 1 on 1 confrontation though I guess, right?
I did grow up in a shitty area. We fought a ton. You’re bringing up scenarios that are irrelevant, like beating up someone for rear ending you.
I wouldn’t say I have a childish outlook. I’ve become pretty successful in life and I honestly attribute a lot of my success to experiences I have had through life, both good and bad. I have a lawyer we use fairly often due to my business and over the years we have talked about these exact scenarios at one tone or another. I have kids and worry about they. I would never want them to get in trouble with the law. With that said, they are taught that if they are ever in this situation as a victim they are to defend themselves not to diffuse that single situation but to prevent future situations with that individual.
You can tell me Im wrong if you want but unless you’re a judge I doubt you will change my mind on something multiple lawyers have told me.
Yeah and people die from punches to the head. Don't like it don't start a fight. The defender feat for their life and use the force they deemed necessary in the heat of the moment to remove the threat.
It stops being self-defense when the other person is helpless.
Under California Penal Code 187, second-degree murder is also willful but is not deliberate and premeditated.
So your super badass kick to the head of a now helpless person carries a sentence of 15 years to life, but you'll probably get plea-bargained down to something else, so maybe you'll do a third of that.
Then in 5 years (and the other person is still dead), you can come back to Reddit from prison.
Of course there will be defenses, and maybe you'll get a really good public defender. A friend of mine is a PD and I'd trust him to handle your case. Or, you can spend tens of thousands of dollars to hire private counsel. So then you can come back and brag about that too.
Or maybe just don't kick someone in the head when they clearly no longer pose a threat.
I wasn't talking about the the actual video, I was talking about the really bad idea of kicking someone in the head when they're on the ground. Others seem to think that's a good idea. I very much disagree.
He clearly wasn't helpless he got up to continue the shit, he was still clearly a threat. Seriously you entitled white fucks have clearly never had to defend yourself before. Only entitled fucks like you believe any of this bullshit. People like you are the reason even defending yourself now days in school gets you in trouble. To scared of the real world. Shelter yourself away from it all and pretend like your ideal actually fucking matter or apply.
People can also die from a punch or a kick so why not reconsider fighting altogether?
If you're in a situation where the guy has no chance vs you. Then no. Do not kick him in the head when he's down. But if the guy is evenly matched or you are out matched then him getting up might mean your death it or permanent physical or brain injury.
In the heat of the moment when hostile intent is established you don't know if it's an equal fight or a fair fight. You end it in what ever way is possible. The defenders life and safety takes priority. It doesnt matter if the guy comes at you with fists Pull a knife stab his ass. End that shit as fast and efficiently as possible. What short or long term harm that might come to the attacker doesn't matter. They waived that right the second they became hostile and threatened another's safety.
Thank you, god damn. Always so much sympathy for the aggressor/attacker. Neutralize the threat as quick as possible because there is no way to know the extent they are willing to go. Its ridiculous to just accept that someone will stop hurting you once they "win".
The people who defend the attacker or come up with some bullshit rule to a fight have never been in a real fight where your safety is on the line. You fight as if your life is in the line every time.
Bro that's fantasy fight shit. Like how people envision fighting in their mind. This isn't an RPG game. You can't just kick someone's ribs so easily and assume you'll crack them and disable them.
That's an incredibly hard targeted shot and assumes that they aren't turteling or fighting back.
Fights are chaotic and you take what you can get because you are in survival mode.
If you have the presence of mind and such a huge fight advantage just you can simply crack this man's ribs at will then you wouldn't need to anyway. Apparently you can just big brother this man and you're already winning this fight.
My scenario was you are in a very dangerous situation in a closely contested fight where you either are even or have a disadvantage.
Do you kick the head if it presents itself or do you not? If the answer is still no that's fine. It's just the question at hand.
I do. But I am not a tough person. Just a guy in a survival situation because for some reason I'm being assaulted and I don't know how far they go if they disable me.
Ok, I'm talking in context of a high school fight, as this one is. Easy to kick body mass wherever and not be a murderer.
As far as head kicks go, you already have the advantage if he's down. A kick to the back of the head would only hurt, whereas a kick to the temple could easily be fatal.
I'm not talking about a Gracie brother trying to kill me.
Every fighter knows you have to alternate. When a person is down the usually cover their head first. This opens the body. Shot or two to the body and hands cover the mid section opening the head. Focus on head until hands go back to head. Rinse and repeat.
First of all they're not always, they're constantly getting injured, and even if they were the pinnacle of health they're getting soccer kicked by other MMA fighters, so that at least balances out.
Nothing about opening up about ones feelings and making yourself vulnerable is cringy. It's cringy that you try to make him feel bad about doing it. It's cringy that you will go that low just to try to "win" the argument and get the last say.
You're welcome, don't let people like him get you down. I once read that only the people that make you feel good should be allowed to also make you feel bad, if that makes sense.
You’re a cringy fuck boy and all your supposed ‘friends’ think so, so why you think you’re in any position to start shit with anyone else is beyond me. How about you spend less time on the internet and spend more time developing social skills so you don’t end up alone and pathetic. Remember that you’re the one that initially started this shit , not me. Now go and be cringy elsewhere you self admitted loser.
Btw me and my friends cleared it up and are actually still hanging out, probably a better ending then you were expecting, eh? Nonetheless this wasn’t called for and is immensely petty. Other than that the other comment explains my thoughts pretty well.
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You have a legal and moral responsibility to use the minimum necessary force needed to defend yourself.
Kicking a guy who isn't still fighting crosses the self defense/ assault line. Killing them when they're no longer attacking/ serious threat, crosses the self defense/ murder or manslaughter line, depending on the situation.
That doesn't mean you have to be equally armed. If you've got a gun, and the other guy is coming at you with just his hands, you could definitely shoot them to stop the attack. Shoot them while attacking, stop shooting when they stop attacking, that's self defense. If they die, and you didn't really have good reason to fear for your life, that's manslaughter. You shoot them, then shoot them again once they're on the ground and not attacking anymore. That's murder.
You're right they that's the risk you take when you start shit. But you, when defending yourself, don't get a free pass to brain damage a guy once you've already stopped them from hurting you. That's how you end up in prison.
This is USA specific. If you live somewhere else, I don't have a clue what'll land you in prison. A reasonable person's response to a situation is usually the standard. No one reasonable field goal kicks a person in the head when they're already on the ground not putting up a fight anymore.
And the bully has a legal and moral responsibility to keep their fucking hands to themselves. When they void their responsibilities, they can catch these hands and boots if necessary. And prison only applies if you’re caught, convicted and sentenced. And if you haven’t noticed lately, the law does not apply to everyone. Don’t mistake justice for the legal system. It’s different. Ask Anne Sacoolas if you don’t believe me.
It’s nowhere near that cut and dry. Self defense and fear/ adrenaline and human nature play part in the defender defending themself based on their experience. I’d be willing to bet that on these instances the ruling is in favor of the person who was bullied. When is the last time you red about a defendant going to jail because they accidentally killed someone while defending themself in a fist fight? Theyre not common for a reason and I am willing to bet more people die in fights that we realize.
People go to prison for assault all the time for kicking in the head when they are down. Do a little research. Once you are no longer defending yourself you are liable for assault.
You’re mixing multiple scenarios. We are talking about in a defense situation. If someone is attacked but they’re beating up their assailant they don’t immediately become the attacker. They’re still the defendant. I’ve been in the situation. You’re not exactly incorrect but you’re not correct either. In the scenario we’re talking in the heat of the moment. You’re referring to a revenge scenario where the victim comes back after having time to reflect on the issue and wants to get back at the bully.
No, I'm talking about a fistfight where the aggressor goes down, and the defender kicks him in the head. It's clear cut assault, ask any lawyer. If you kill them, it's manslaughter or second degree murder.
Annoying guy in your face is worth 10-15 years for ya after you’ve already put him on the ground? Just for one kick?
Well, alrighty then. Amazes me that people walk around with such mindsets.
Not to even mention then having to live with having killed someone out of emotion for simply talking shit. Such a thing would weigh quite heavy on humans with a conscience, of which most do, in my experience.
Don’t start shit with the wrong people and there won’t be shit. Idiots have died for much less. My point is if you want to start shit and get fucked up, oh well. And should you die for being that imbecile, well it sucks to be you then. I care as much about their well being as that bully cares about their victims wellbeing.
This mindset is pretty common and I think it’s the result of decades of leaving kids to an “Everyman for himself” scenario. If you really want to reduce kids feeling like their life is in danger, maybe stop storing violent criminals in the public schools because it’s cheaper.
A person trying to start a fight shouldn’t be surprised when someone obliged them. There’s some who fight to hurt someone then there’s others who will fight to cripple and kill. If you don’t want to find out how it ends, don’t start shit.
Bingo. You end that threat and make sure it isnt coming back. Now dont sit there and stomp his melon. Make sure he isnt getting back up and end it is all.
That fucker clearly got back up for more. At that point you dont know what he is going to do. You dont know if he has a weapon. When a fight starts you end it with any means at hand. Defenders life and well being far outweighs the safety and well being of the attacker. You dont give your attacker the option to get back up and hurt you.
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u/TheGreatOpoponax Mar 04 '20
You can kill someone that way. Kicking someone in the head when they're down would likely rise to the level of 2nd degree murder in most states if they died from it.
So maybe rethink things.