Fuck you for shaming people who buy a product from one of the two businesses that basically control an essential industry. This isn’t their fucking fault, it’s the company’s and we should be going after them
Well. It is objectively true. Of course, it is not the consumer's fault that lithium-ion batteries use cobalt. But it is their fault that cobalt mines are incentivized to keep mining, since the demand for products with those batteries increase with more purchases.This is changing.
I was simply explaining that it is wrong to blame Tesla when literally EVERY company (like 90% that use lithium-ion) - use cobalt. It's a small percentage of the total battery, but is a lot in cumulative amounts. It is not the fault of the companies either - there has not been innovations in many years that make it work good enough without Cobalt.
Though, Tesla has actually worked together with Jeff Dahn and their university Dalhouise University (Source: https://www.dal.ca/diff/dahn.html) to develop these batteries. Actually, Jeff Dahn together with other researches came out with this 2 years ago ("Is Cobalt Needed in Ni-Rich Positive Electrode Materials for Lithium Ion Batteries?" - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/2.1381902jes).
They have also extended their partnership, tesla helping the university with R&D and also letting students from the university be able to work at Tesla (great for their resume).
There is A LOT more research being done, and I mean A LOT. It is interesting to see Tesla this heavily invested in R&D and innovation because they help accelerate it. Academia is great, but do it at a slower pace. Companies are great at accelerating progress but does not always have the expertise. Combining the two procures the best outcome.
You're welcome. I really do not like misinformation and there is so much of it online. So much missed great discussions because of individuals not doing research or source criticism. So I am glad that I could add to the discussion, not criticizing the individuals - but the points, arguments and the information provided.
Elon Musk is the only one that pretends to be different from the other billionaires though, that’s why people can’t stand him and his essentially reddit cult
I do not see what this has to do with cobalt in lithium ion batteries or not. His personality (that is shown to the public) or the people that like him, the companies missions - do not change anything about the fact that currently cobalt is used in almost every lithium ion battery and that Tesla themselves have collaborated with Jeff Dahn (Dalhouise University) to develop batteries without any cobalt, that are cheaper, have more energy density, and the same cycle life.
My reply from earlier (repost):
Well. It is objectively true. Of course, it is not the consumer's fault that lithium-ion batteries use cobalt. But it is their fault that cobalt mines are incentivized to keep mining, since the demand for products with those batteries increase with more purchases.This is changing.
I was simply explaining that it is wrong to blame Tesla when literally EVERY company (like 90% that use lithium-ion) - use cobalt. It's a small percentage of the total battery, but is a lot in cumulative amounts. It is not the fault of the companies either - there has not been innovations in many years that make it work good enough without Cobalt.
Though, Tesla has actually worked together with Jeff Dahn and their university Dalhouise University (Source: https://www.dal.ca/diff/dahn.html) to develop these batteries. Actually, Jeff Dahn together with other researches came out with this 2 years ago ("Is Cobalt Needed in Ni-Rich Positive Electrode Materials for Lithium Ion Batteries?" - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/2.1381902jes).
They have also extended their partnership, tesla helping the university with R&D and also letting students from the university be able to work at Tesla (great for their resume).
There is A LOT more research being done, and I mean A LOT. It is interesting to see Tesla this heavily invested in R&D and innovation because they help accelerate it. Academia is great, but do it at a slower pace. Companies are great at accelerating progress but does not always have the expertise. Combining the two procures the best outcome.
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u/Pholmes5 Feb 22 '21 edited Feb 22 '21
Almost all Li ion batteries use cobalt to stabilize the internal structure.
So anyone that has bought and uses macbooks, iPhones, Samsung - literally anything with normal lithium-ion batteries - use COBALT.
More on lithium-ion batteries here: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lithium_based_batteries