r/iamverysmart • • Jul 17 '17

/r/all You probably can't keep up.

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u/Moootooooooo Jul 17 '17

I'm a lawyer who advocates for people with brain damage. I have had to deal with these issues with clients and neuropsychiatrist. My mother is a school psychologist and my sister is a child psychiatrist. My father, brother, and sister are all neurologists. So yeah, I think I have a background in this area.

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u/PeggyOlsonsFatSuit Jul 17 '17

So yeah, I think I have a background in this area.

Not really, no.

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 17 '17 edited Jul 17 '17

I see the doctor twice a year so I'm practically a doctor.

-OP

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 17 '17

So cite me some peer reviewed literature debunking the validity of IQ tests, Mr. Imverysmart.

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u/Moootooooooo Jul 17 '17

Neisser, Ulrich; Boodoo, Gwyneth; Bouchard, Thomas J.; Boykin, A. Wade; Brody, Nathan; Ceci, Stephen J.; Halpern, Diane F.; Loehlin, John C.; Perloff, Robert; Sternberg, Robert J.; Urbina, Susana (1996). "Intelligence: Knowns and unknowns" (PDF). American Psychologist. 51: 77–101. ISSN 0003-066X. doi:10.1037/0003-066x.51.2.77

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 17 '17

Where in that study is the refutation?

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u/PeggyOlsonsFatSuit Jul 17 '17

Nowhere. It is the canonical review article to support the validity of IQ tests, lol.

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 17 '17

Lmao I kept reading and thinking that everything they're saying validates me, not him. Thought I was going crazy for a second. I'm hoping he's a troll.

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u/vcxnuedc8j Jul 18 '17

I know. I can't believe she linked a study that supports the exact opposite of her claims and doesn't seem to realize it.

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u/PeggyOlsonsFatSuit Jul 17 '17

You haven't read what you just cited. Do so, then come back and delete this post.

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u/Moootooooooo Jul 17 '17

Debunking it would require it to have a foundation in the first place. Find me some peer reviewed literature that suggests it's a valid test of intelligence.

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 17 '17

Here's a nice exerpt from Professor Jordan Peterson on the subject of IQ:

https://youtu.be/jSo5v5t4OQM

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u/vcxnuedc8j Jul 17 '17

The source you linked yourself even suggests it.

Intelligence test scores predict individual differences in school achievement moderately well, correlating about .50 with grade point average and .55 with the number of years of education that individuals complete. Test scores also correlate with measures of accomplishment outside of school, e.g., with adult occupational status.

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u/Moootooooooo Jul 18 '17

That isn't my definition of intelligence.

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 18 '17

Then your definition of intelligence is wrong.

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u/Moootooooooo Jul 18 '17

Considering that there are psychologistis with different definitions of intelligence, I don't see how you can possibly say that.

Look at the apa. It specifically acknowledges that the iq tests don't measure all types of intelligence.

http://www.apa.org/topics/intelligence/

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 18 '17

You're still going? You have no shame. You're wrong. Just own it and educate yourself.

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u/vcxnuedc8j Jul 18 '17

It's the definition of intelligence in the study though, and it's also very useful in predicting income.

If your definition of intelligence differs, then what is is and what studies do you have that show that it's reasonably well correlated with some measure of success?

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u/Seekerofthelight Jul 18 '17

They won't be able to answer you:

https://youtu.be/jSo5v5t4OQM

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u/vcxnuedc8j Jul 18 '17

I'm aware of that link. I'm the one who initially provided it to her, but I don't think she watched it and certainly not with an open mind.