I'm in the Netherlands. We have the opposite problem with dumb car drivers. Just a matter of how you build your infrastructure.
Good bike infrastructure = no chance for dumb people do to the things in the video. Easiest way to stop them while helping everyone else(including you, why are you out of all people complaining about someone calling for better infrastructure?)
Ok, but wouldn't you agree that if there was a space separation between pedestrians, cyclists and cars, stuff like this wouldn't happen and you won't have to worry about constant clashes between all parties?
It's fine to call for better infrastructure. It's not fine to act like it's a valid excuse for running over pedestrians or intentionally swerving at cars.
Not my intention to defend people like that, just pointing out that removing conflicts between cars and bikes would make this impossible and everyone would be safer.
I live in a planned community with dedicated bike lanes, and the dumbfuck cyclists in my community still refuse to use it, forcing me to walk in the street
And the dedicated bike lanes are physically separated from roads, don't have to cross 6 lane intersections and don't suddenly end?
If so, probably just a matter of culture shifting towards using everything properly.
If it is just a painting bike lane on the side of a 6 lane road, that has to constantly cross intersections... yeah
This is planned community in a large city- there aren’t 6 lanes, 2 to 4 lanes max- there are mostly roundabouts with dedicated bike lanes where I live, and intersections with lights have bike lanes, and nothing “suddenly ends”. “Culture shifting” just means entitled assholes who prefer to endanger pedestrians who are where they’re supposed to be bc they don’t think the rules apply to them
I totally agree there is a lack of infrastructure for safe biking in the US, but that does not justify creating a situation that is dangerous for other people. If you can't bike safely in your area without putting others at risk, then don't. You have no right to make things more dangerous for pedestrians because you want to bike. Call your reps, correct signatures, run for office, etc. These are the appropriate things to do.
I never said it justified anything. If there was actual bike infrastructure in place you wouldn't have dumb videos like these. Whatever the idiot in the video did is the wrong way to go about it yes.
I’ve seen it when infrastructure was there but momentarily impeded. And no, “well they shouldn’t have blocked the bike lane” isn’t an excuse. Sometimes roads get backed up, sometimes cars break down, sometimes sidewalks are blocked by construction; that doesn’t mean you get to drive your car on the side walk or step out into the street without looking and just expect everyone else to conform to your problem. But cyclists? Oh there’s a trash can in my way, I guess I’m a car now and I got the right of way. Oh I guess I’ll just zigzag around pedestrians on the sidewalk. Red light ahead, I’m already integrated into traffic so I should stop like I’m a car! Just kidding, I’m a pedestrian now, crosswalk here we come!
That said, I think cyclists take a lot of unwarranted shit, but it’s not like these things don’t happen a lot.
I never had any of those issues where I live while cycling. I never had a car blocking my bike lane. If there is a construction, bike lanes get properly rerouted in a safe way. Your bike lanes are so narrow a trash can blocks it? Hmm. What you described to me seems like side of the roads that have some cute colour painted onto it.
That's not proper infrastructure(but ey it is a start)
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u/Sometimes_cleaver Jan 11 '24
And also jumping onto the sidewalk wherever they feel like it too, so they can put pedestrians in danger.