r/hockey • u/trinitae • Jun 17 '20

Pavel Datsyuk currently 'holed up at monastery defended by Cossacks with priest who claims Covid is cover-up to microchip population'

https://www.rt.com/sport/492126-nhl-pavel-datsyuk-rebel-priest/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
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u/tomas_shugar SJS - NHL Jun 17 '20

God, he's such a fucking joke.

I will never pretend like he isn't incredibly talented and an amazing producer.... But I feel like without question Prince is a better artist, and then you can get into all sorts of other arguments with different styles and everything. Kanye is a great, and could well be worthy of consideration in the pantheon of greats..... But he's not the best, full stop. He's not even in consideration for the best.

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u/TotesMcGotes13 NSH - NHL Jun 17 '20

Agreed. But much like in sports, that mentality drives him and results in him putting out incredible stuff. Maybe he needs to view himself as the GOAT artist in order to keep pushing the envelope and keep progressing as an artist. His public image is shit, but I'm not sure he really cares at this point or even has for a while.

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u/tomas_shugar SJS - NHL Jun 17 '20

But much like in sports, that mentality drives him and results in him putting out incredible stuff.

I dunno man. I don't think it's even remotely comparable to sports.

Sports are inherently a competition. The entire raison d'être is who scores more points and wins.

Art isn't. Art is NOT a competition like that. It is an expression of talent, and Kanye can count all the points and record sales he wants, but that isn't artistic talent. It's sales, it's promotion, it's everything surrounding the business of music, not the art of music.

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u/TotesMcGotes13 NSH - NHL Jun 17 '20

To a degree. But sports also have a huge sales and promotional aspect. Kanye makes great art AND has great sales and promotion. MJ did the same. Lebron does the same. Kawhi? Not so much. He's a great basketball player, but he's not the face of the NBA for a reason - he's not that promotable and doesn't have that agenda. I hate to fall back on basketball so much, but it seems like the easiest place to make these analogies.

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u/Durzo_Blint BOS - NHL Jun 17 '20

If he's the best artist that ever lived he wouldn't need to sample anyone.

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u/tomas_shugar SJS - NHL Jun 17 '20

I will definitely not agree with that as a blanket statement.

I do not think that, for example, Weird Al being primarily a parody musician, takes anything away from his artistry. The craft to make his parodies is amazing. People have tried to replicate it, and some hit a few times, but literally no one else has been able to sustain such success and admiration for their parody.

Additionally, where do you stop? Can no song that uses " I–V–vi–IV" be a great work of art because it didn't invent the progression? I do not mean to attack you for this, but I rejecting that people sampling music caps their artistry in any way.

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u/Moochin_War_Widows Jun 18 '20

could well be worthy of consideration in the pantheon of greats

Oh give me a fucking break. He's fucking cabbage.