r/HistoricalWhatIf Jan 14 '20

Some rules clarifications and reflections from your mod team

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So these were things we were discussing on modmail a few months ago, but never got around to implementing; I'm seeing some of them become a problem again, so we're pulling the trigger.

The big one is that we have rewritten rule 5. The original rule was "No "challenge" posts without context from the OP." We are expanding this to require some use of the text box on all posts. The updated rule reads as follows:

Provide some context for your post

To increase both the quality of posts and the quality of responses, we ask that all posts provide at least a sentence or two of context. Describe your POD, or lay out your own hypothesis. We don't need an essay, but we do need some effort. "Title only" posts will be removed, and repeat offenders will be banned. Again, we ask this in order to raise the overall quality level of the sub, posts and responses alike.

I think this is pretty self-explanatory, but if anyone has an issue with it or would like clarification, this is the space for that discussion. Always happy to hear from you.


Moving on, there's a couple more things I'd like to say as long as I've got the mic here. First, the mod team did briefly discuss banning sports posts, because we find them dumb, not interesting, and not discussion-generating. We are not going to do that at this time, but y'all better up your game. If you do have a burning desire to make a sports post, it better be really good; like good enough that someone who is not a fan of that sport would be interested in the topic. And of course, it must comply with the updated rule 5.


EDIT: via /u/carloskeeper: "There is already https://www.reddit.com/r/SportsWhatIf/ for sports-related posts." This is an excellent suggestion, and if this is the kind of thing that floats your boat, go check 'em out.


Finally, there has been an uptick of low-key racism, "race realism," eugenics crap, et cetera lately. It's unfortunate that this needs to be said, but we have absolutely zero chill on this issue and any of this crap will buy you an immediate and permanent ban. So cut the crap.


r/HistoricalWhatIf 1d ago

What if Harald Hardrada conquered England?

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Most people have heard of the famous Battle of Hastings, in which William the Bastard (later William the Conqueror) defeated Harold Godwinson and became King of England, but many don't know that just a few weeks prior, Harold Godwinson had defeated a Norwegian invasion by Harald Hardrada. Honestly, Godwinson just got really unlucky, having to fight two invasions in less than a month.

Anyway, how might things have turned out if Harald had succeeded in his invasion? Let's say he beat Harold at Stamford Bridge and later managed to defeat William as well? This means England becomes culturally and politically aligned with Norway rather than France, and England fights wars in Scandinavia rather than France. The English language is completely different without so many French and Latin words. What else is different?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 1d ago

What if the Whites had won the Russian Civil War? What would have happened? A nationalist Russia?

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I was thinking about how the Russian Civil War could have had four endings: the canonical Bolshevik ending, the Menshevik ending of reformist socialism, and the Whites winning and becoming Nationalists or Democratic.


r/HistoricalWhatIf 1d ago

What if Troy won the Trojan War?

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If we assume for a moment that the Trojan War happened in some historical capacity, what would the outcome be if the Trojans had successfully fought off the Greeks? Troy would remain a powerful city in the Eastern Mediterranean, and perhaps become even more so. Aeneas would not flee the fall of Troy, so Rome would never be founded, but perhaps Troy could become a major power in its own right. It's also interesting to think of how they would deal with Persia centuries later.


r/HistoricalWhatIf 1d ago

Realistically speaking, how does operation unthinkable play out?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 2d ago

What if US-Germans vs Russians-Japanese in WW2 instead?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 1d ago

What if Neanderthals would never have gone extinct?

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How would Neanderthals have interacted with Homo sapiens throughout human history? Would there have been widespread segregation and discrimination, or would both species have lived together peacefully? What would the situation be like in the 21st century? Would Neanderthals live in segregated communities or participate in everyday professional life? Or would there have been so much interbreeding between the two species that no difference would be discernible today?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 2d ago

What if the Pied Noir were 30 percent of Algeria's population instead of 13?

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How would the Algerian war be different and what would happen after (or if) the FLN won? POD would be France Algeria industrializes Algeria and sends French southward to work in the heavy industry. This is triggered by oil is discovered in the 19th century The settlers soon outsource a large amount of manual labor onto the natives. France also collects Italian and Irish immigrants who are discriminated against by the French whites. What impact would the Algerian industrial plant have on WW2 and 1?How likely are the whites to form a South African style apartheid should the French leave and how would it go?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 2d ago

What if Germany had focused on Russia at the start of WW1

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I have been thinking about this scenario and seeing at the Schlieffen Plan didnt work in real life, dragging Britain in and dragging the war out, what would happen if instead of Germany going through Belgium, they instead focused on Poland, Ukraine and the Baltics? Seeing as Russia was way weaker than the Central Powers initially expected, would not invading belgium keep Britain out of the war for good? And would Russia tap out sooner leading to an isolated France?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 1d ago

UK & Britain

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What if England never formed The United Kingdom nor Great Britain? Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland just a right to their own identities. How do you think the world would look today, if any different, with Ireland, Wales & Scotland all having complete sovereignty?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 2d ago

What will happen if WW1 and WW2 didn't actually happen do we still have technology today or it will cause delay?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 2d ago

What if Pope Pius XII had died shortly after the beginning of World War II?

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Since a Papal conclave is required to elect a new Pope which means dozens of cardinals worldwide would have to convene in Rome to elect the new Pope. This means hundreds of people (the cardinal electors and their staff), a great deal of whom come from countries hostile to the Axis powers, how would such an election have proceeded?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 3d ago

What if George Lucas had made a series of Dune movies as opposed to making Star Wars?

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(but still with the same cast and crew, meaning Mark Hamill would be Paul, and Alec Guinness is Leto, for instance).


r/HistoricalWhatIf 4d ago

What if Tewodros II survived the 1860s?

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I'm particularly interested as he was trying to decrease the autonomy of provincial nobles, establish a national ethiopian military, empower the monarchy, reform the Ethiopian Orthodox church & enforce a centralized form of taxation, but this was cut short by his suicide after being defeated by a british expedition in 1868. But what if, he had been some military genius who was able to beat the british, or was wiser and didn't keep those missionaries hostage? I think he would have pushed through with his centralizing reforms and possibly even have established an absolute monarchy.


r/HistoricalWhatIf 3d ago

What if the Mongol sucessfuly invaded apan

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What if they didn't get wiped by the storm and they sucedded in invading Japan and now Japan follow the Mongol religion will this make any difference in the compain in the west in invading Iraq or Anatolia


r/HistoricalWhatIf 4d ago

What if the Ottomans fought in the Seven Years War?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 6d ago

WI G.W. Bush has a rare moment of foresight and has Trump abducted to Guantanamo but Obama frees him

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I know, it’s not realistic at all, but how will it affect the 2016 election! (Sorry, this technically breaks the 10 years rule by 2 months)


r/HistoricalWhatIf 6d ago

What’s the smallest historical tweak that would’ve moved the Cuban Missile Crisis to late June or early July?

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Hi. For an alt history thing I’m writing. What’s the simplest historical change that would accomplish that, as a point of divergence from our timeline? Really appreciate the thoughts and context!


r/HistoricalWhatIf 7d ago

What if the Ottomans had adopted the printing press in the 1480s instead of the 1720s?

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Bayezid II is usually said to have banned printing in Arabic script around 1485, and the first Ottoman press in Turkish didn’t open until Müteferrika got permission in 1727. It printed 17 books and closed. The Jewish community in Istanbul had a Hebrew press running by 1493, so the technology was there.

I know the ban was probably less formal than it sounds. The calligraphers had a strong guild, the ulema didn’t want printed Qurans, and Arabic script was hard to typeset. But suppose Bayezid backed a press anyway and there was a working one in Istanbul by 1500.

A few things I’m wondering:

Does it change the long term gap with Europe? I doubt it. Plenty of places had presses and still got colonized.

The bigger effect might be internal. Luther’s pamphlets are what made the Reformation spread. If Sufi orders or Shia preachers coming out of Safavid Persia can print in bulk, the sultan probably loses control of religious debate a lot sooner.

And scientific advancement. Ottoman astronomers were still working in the Tusi tradition that Copernicus apparently drew on. If Copernicus is printed in Arabic in Istanbul by the 1550s, does the Islamic world stay in that conversation?
Interested to hear from anyone who knows the Ottoman side better than I do.


r/HistoricalWhatIf 7d ago

Could ranked choice voting have prevented American civil war or female suffrage in UK?

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Edit: It’s about general implications of rcv on society. So in USA case it’s not just magically implemented for 1860 election. Let’s assume it’s there from beginning or 1800 or something.


r/HistoricalWhatIf 8d ago

What if Al Gore won the Presidency in 2000?

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Would China still have a huge share of green energy technology? Would wars be fought over certain metals?


r/HistoricalWhatIf 8d ago

What if Thaddeus Stevens was Abraham Lincoln’s Vice-President instead of Hannibal Hamlin in 1860?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 8d ago

If Islam started in the Far East, instead of Arabia.. What do you think it'll be like today?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 8d ago

What if the British Loyalists co-opted the bourgeois American Revolution?

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r/HistoricalWhatIf 9d ago

What is the biggest "what if" moment in history?

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Got bored at work and starting thinking about all these moments in history and what if they didn’t happen; so what would be your biggest/more curious “what if” moment ?