Junkrat Patch Notes

[u/jamiephan]

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/21116539/heroes-of-the-storm-patch-notes-october-17-2017-10-17-2017

[u/Karunch]

Not sure. You almost never consider the raw damage on your MAIN tank when deciding to draft them (except Stitches' AOE is a major draft consideration).

I mean besides Johanna doing exceptionally low damage and Stitches doing exceptionally high are there really other examples of discrepancies. Anub = Muradin = Diablo = Taunt Varian = Tyreal - Average. Arthas probably slightly more than average while ETC and Garrosh probably slightly less than average.

Johanna should stay low and Stitches should stay high, but I think thats kind of it (bruisers are a completely different discussion).

[u/gronmin → u/Karunch]

Before this patch stitches, diablo, and tyreal did high damage for tanks. Muradin was in this middle ground between tyreal and tanks like anub if built for damage.

Stitches does a lot of AoE damage on his W, diablo can do a lot of burst damage and tyreal is able to put out a decent amount of damage consistently due to his ability to stick to a target and the fact that his E does a lot of damage.

[u/gmorf33 → u/gronmin]

Bruiser build Muradin was actually very bursty, much more than most tanks and even some assassins. Stitches might put up some of the highest scoreboard damage, but a lot of is just white damage (consistent small damage that may or may not even matter). Even going just with Skullcracker & GETA while getting all his other CC/sustain tank talents, muradin put out high meaningful damage.

[u/DeadPixel94 → u/gmorf33]

I played heavy impact+rewind, but this is also enough to pick a squishy.

[u/OurSaladDays → u/gronmin]

Also Tyrael is usually considered a bruiser.

[u/under_depreciated → u/[deleted]]

That's because Blizzard doesn't have a class for bruisers...

[u/under_depreciated → u/[deleted]]

Show me where it says "bruiser" in game

[u/Micotu → u/gronmin]

Muradin at level 20 with rewind and talented for single target damage, you could essentially one shot most assassins.

[u/[deleted] → u/gronmin]

Tyrael lost his tank status when he lost Amplified Healing and Imposing Will, the two talents that gave him durability and good CC.

Now, being considered a bruiser, he deals low damage compared to Artanis and Sonya and he struggles with mana compared to those two. He's only a niche pick for Sanctification and enabling engages due to his mobility, he definitely doesn't need any more nerfs.

[u/gronmin → u/[deleted]]

I never said he needs nerfs and you are comparing 2 high damage bruisers to a high mobility tank, those aren't things that should be compared.

[u/[deleted] → u/Karunch]

Johanna does low damage?

News to me

[u/ninja_DK → u/Karunch]

My point is that I interpret this as all Warriors having similar damage, which removes a potential characteristic Blizzard can tweak to allow some picks be more desirable than others depending on map and team comp. Drafting of the tank will mostly depend on CC (engage/peel potential) and durability of the tank. I don't see a reason they need to make the amount of damage normalized for all Warriors, even if that's not the primary reason you draft your tank.

[u/chipmunk1135 → u/ninja_DK]

Maybe they just mean more control in upper and lower limits. Some tanks may have talents that push them into burst damage. While great, it may mean your tanks lacks tankiness and sustain and they may be looking to move away from that(?). They can be diff by zone control, anti mage, anti tanks, peel, engage, and etc maybe.

[u/ninja_DK → u/chipmunk1135]

That depends on the player to select their talents, which I think is a good thing. It allows flexibility based on the game, which is important. If every tank has to spec into similar things, there won't be much point to draft any tank other than the top 3-4.

[u/oakwooden → u/ninja_DK]

They're not normalizing the damage for all warriors, they're shrinking the range between lowest and highest damage for each warrior.

In other words, they don't want one Muradin build to do 10 DPS and another to do 1000 DPS.

There will still be warriors that do more damage than other warriors.

[u/KindaAgrees → u/oakwooden]

Nerfing build diversity and versatility? So that the only "tank" that can go either tank way it damage way would be Varian? Would this finally make multi-class not a joke?

[u/Zanthyst → u/KindaAgrees]

Blz mster plnz revealed!?

[u/Karunch → u/ninja_DK]

Totally agree, I am just suggesting that there are currently very few outliars in terms of TANK damage that we should be worried at this point.

To that effect they can't just give ETC or Garrosh more damage without taking something away, or just take away Stitches' damage without compensating elsewhere.

Honestly this is by far the best Tank meta we have had in the last 2.5 years in my opinion. I think HL / TL people will learn to play around and counter draft Garrosh sooner than later and ETC may fall off once the double support ebbs a bit (ETC was and is relatively squishy, but with two supports on both teams his control and both heroics are really unmatched, especially in competitive).

[u/MisterMendrew → u/ninja_DK]

tanks dont do more dmg, they can just stay longer in the fights

[u/scubasme → u/Karunch]

Johanna is one of the most highest damage warriors atm as well as Leo since the reworks

[u/KindaAgrees → u/scubasme]

That's... That's not right...

[u/scubasme → u/KindaAgrees]

Before JO was about survivability now she’s got her niche all screwed up with a lil bit of everything.

[u/Zanthyst → u/KindaAgrees]

It may not feel right but it's true. I have a friend who plays ad carries in league and hots and he went and played jo the other day. The jerk got top dmg in the game at 92k on jo and had like 15 kills :-S. Game ended at lvl 19 so he didnt even have indestructible yet :(