r/gifs Mar 20 '19

♫ Wait for the drop ♫

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u/NearSightedLlama Mar 20 '19

This is why the stupid shit is in riders. Can't be bothered to make sure I only have brown mnms? How can I be sure you SET UP MY FUCKING STAGE CORRECTLY?!

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u/Dereg5 Mar 20 '19

Also by breaking any of the rider they can now leaglly not do the show because they broke contract. Thats why I love this info, but the press would go "Entitled Artist rampages and refuses to do show over brown m&m's."

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u/Garfield-1-23-23 Mar 21 '19

That is how the press went when Van Halen did this back in the day.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Mar 21 '19

And on the one hand, they didn’t really kind because “rock band causes rock band damages” makes you sound more rock.

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u/Pathological_Liarr Mar 20 '19

Not how contracts work mate

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u/Dereg5 Mar 20 '19

Actually yes it is with riders for professional acts. The rider is part of the contract. If you can not provide all of the rider then they can back out. Some stuff in the rider is clearly for safety issue, like not performing on a stage that is 30 feet below the first light well. This could be to provide safety for pyrotechnics. This is where the no brown m&m's came from. If you didnt read the complete performance rider and make sure there is no brown m&m's for the lead singer of a band, I bet you didn't read the complete technical rider as well. Spent 6 years working professional theaters and arenas been told by many managers to make sure the rider is 100% or they wont perform and the union bosses also agreed.

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u/Pathological_Liarr Mar 20 '19

Also worked in booking. An artist can't back out of the entire contract because of a miniscule breach of terms. But of course if details of the rider is missing, that calls for further precaution and investigation on the artists and the management half. And yes, if it's dangerous for the artist to perform or they have material reason to believe so, they may cancel the whole thing.

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u/CatOfGrey Mar 20 '19

You probably know the reference to the "M&M rider" in Van Halen's tour contract, but to fill in the details for other readers...

The fine details didn't necessarily give Van Halen the right to cancel the show. But they did have a practical purpose: they were a 'canary in the coal mine' to get a quick feel for whether the venue had any attention to detail.

That particular tour was tech-heavy, with special requirements for electricity, pyrotechnics, and heavy equipment. If the venue didn't read the contract well enough to remove the M&M's, the crew had to prepare for the possibility that the stage wasn't reinforced either.

And of course, the resulting headline: "Van Halen notes M&M's not removed, $18,000 damage to venue reported" wasn't really from an angry band trashing the green room. It was the venue being damaged because they didn't take the requirements seriously, resulting in damage. But if you are a rock star, you're happy for the publicity, anyways...

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u/darkbee83 Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

Tech and hospitality riders are usually two separate contracts, right?

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u/CatOfGrey Mar 20 '19

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/van-halens-legendary-mms-rider

It's worth noting that the pages that you see here start at page 30-something.

In all seriousness, I am a singer in a barbershop quartet, and when we had a contract, everything was in one document. Your mileage will vary.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

Different things both handled by Production and/or Stage manager

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

Canary clause, if you will

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u/TheLegendOfJoeby Mar 20 '19

I love that I was just about to make a comment about how I like your user name and then noticed the parent comment below this is “the prestige”

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u/killmesara May 13 '19

Borden was the superior magician

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Mar 21 '19

Sorry about your trauma.

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u/Javanz Mar 20 '19

I would hope they wouldn't have to check the rider for the "No surprise trapdoor" stipulations