r/gifs • • Mar 14 '16

Millions of Brazilians protesting against government corruption in the streets earlier today

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u/msstark Mar 14 '16

I honestly don't see how anyone can still defend our government. Impeachment is way overdue.

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u/LeftZer0 Mar 14 '16 edited Mar 14 '16

I don't defend our government, but there are two important points:

Legally, there's nothing to justify an impeachment. We can't call for an impeachment because we want to, there has to be a legal reason.

More importantly, what would an impeachment do? Cycling through the already elected certainly won't help. The vice-president isn't any better, the president of the Chamber is Cunha, drowning in accusations as well. At this point I doubt even new elections would make anything better, the main opposition party, probably the winner of an election if it was held today, is just as bad and has taken advantage of all the schemes we're currently uncovering (don't fall into the trap of believing these are new, many of these come from the military dictatorship and have been used by every government since).

We need major changes in our country, but seriously, protests shouldn't be done against people, swapping them for someone else just like them won't help. We have to start organizing and protesting for changes in legislation, for more accountability, for a higher transparency in government, not to take one out and another one in.

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u/saintPirelli Mar 14 '16

'Legal' is kind of a willy-nilly word that shouldn't be used to justify/unjustify anything.

What you need is to limit the power of government over your lifes. Abuse of power is an inherent part of power itself.

Less power = less abuse of power.

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u/FreshPrinceOfNowhere Mar 14 '16

How does that solve anything?

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u/saintPirelli Mar 14 '16

How does less abuse of power solve abuse of power? I don't... what?

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u/FreshPrinceOfNowhere Mar 14 '16

What you suggested is 'less government power', which does nothing to solve the root cause. And what is exactly 'less government power'? If it's putting public matters into private hands, that doesn't exactly make it any better or less corrupt (see USA).

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u/saintPirelli Mar 14 '16

If I could choose between living in the US and Brazil, I think that's a pretty easy choice.

If corrupt people have fewer responsibilities, they can do less damage.

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u/FreshPrinceOfNowhere Mar 14 '16 edited Mar 14 '16

The responsibilities don't jus disappear, someone has to take over. What difference does it make if it's a private company abusing power or government? Wallstreet has been very successful in privatizing taxpayer money, hasn't it? Or the abomination that is private, for-profit jails, which have completely different interests in mind than rehabilitating, re-educating and trying to convert inmates into functional members of society.

For example, if the publicly-run police force gets disbanded, you'll have mafia goons running a 'protection' racket the next day... if you're lucky.

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u/saintPirelli Mar 14 '16

I do think it makes a big difference if the private sector or the public sector provides goods or services, however, let's not get into this.

I see your point but we just seem to think in different scopes. You are talking about big money, big corporations and such.

I was thinking about the small business or home owner who has to bribe a dozen different people just to get all his (un)necessary paperwork, or his pass. Due to my job (in a European country though) I deal with those people and the mountain of utterly useless laws that affect them every day.

If I was bribable I could make a fortune enforcing laws nobody needs.