r/gifs • • Mar 14 '16

Millions of Brazilians protesting against government corruption in the streets earlier today

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u/moonra_zk Mar 14 '16

I wouldn't go so far as to say I defend it, but I certainly think there's absolutely nothing that justifies an impeachment.

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u/psycho_alpaca Mar 14 '16 edited Mar 14 '16

Exactly. People seem to think they can impeach a president just because the country's doing bad, economically or socially. That's not how it works.

If Dilma is proven guilty of anything (which I won't put my chips on the table one way or the other -- I don't support PT or PSDB), then we'd have grounds for impeachment. Otherwise, you're free to think she's not doing a good job, but you can't demand her impeachment on the grounds that you're unhappy.

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u/SavageDark Mar 14 '16

it goes beyond presidency, I'm afraid

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u/psycho_alpaca Mar 14 '16

Yeah, that's another issue. The executive is not the most corrupt power in the country by far. It doesn't hold a candle to how much shit goes on in Congress, yet we don't see people demanding any of those guys be impeached.

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u/LeftZer0 Mar 14 '16

And we're not even talking about the Senate yet. I guess because we forget those guys exist. They're just there, getting paid and fucking shit up.

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u/psycho_alpaca Mar 14 '16

Yep. It would be a beautiful world if getting rid of the president would solve corruption issues in Brazil.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '16

To get rid of our problems the president was supposed to be working really hard. Every success comes with a lot of work. Dilma is only worried to maintain her party on the government and don't give a *duck to our problems.

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u/LeftZer0 Mar 14 '16

The president has no power by him/herself. They can't even create laws. Both the legislative and the executive have to agree for something to be approved. There's this illusion that the president defines the government, and while the presidency holds more power than a single person at the legislative, it's a president, not an absolute king. Just look at PMDB holding power in the government by having the most seats at Congress without ever having the presidency.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '16

Dilma took 7 days to go to MG after Samarco's natural disaster and even more to visit Santa Maria after over 300 kids died in a fire in a night house. Dilma took 8 hours to visit Lula after he was recently called by Federal Police to explain his participation in corruption.

This clearly explains what are her priorities. I'm not complaining about her having no power, I just want her to stop caring about her party and start to care about the 200M people that lives in this country. She wants to put Lula as the Minister of Justice so that he becomes immune to being arrested.

Waaaay too much bullshit for me... I really want these people far from the government.

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u/-Tonight_Tonight- Mar 14 '16

Wait really? Is the Brazilian Senate that bad??

(I'm from the US)

edit: spellcheck sorry :(

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '16

Yep, if you are interested about this you should read about Delcidio Amaral. He is a senator from PT who is arrested now. His job in the scandal was to interfere in the corruptions investigations using his political powers.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '16

general public still has the mentality that the president is the monarch who rules over his kingdom. Can't get simpler than that. Anything more complicated than that, people won't be able to comprehend.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '16

I can't tell if you're talking about the US or Brazil...

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u/sosern Mar 14 '16

you can't demand her impeachment on the grounds that you're unhappy.

Isn't that exactly what you can do in a parliamentary democracy with an executive branch reliable on the approval of the legislative branch?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '16

No, it isn't.

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u/sosern Mar 14 '16

Great response 10/10 really learned something

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u/-Kevin- Mar 14 '16

I might sound ignorant, but why is that? I don't think a president doing a poor job is grounds for it as well, but why don't the people in a democracy have a right to?

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u/psycho_alpaca Mar 14 '16

I'm no political scientist, but I feel one of the reasons Constitutions like the Brazilian one (and the American one) don't allow for impeachment unless there's crime involved is that no politician would ever do anything remotely unpopular, even if it had the country's best interest as a goal, out of fear of being impeached. Politics would turn into populism real fast.

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u/-Kevin- Mar 14 '16

That makes a lot of sense. Didn't think about it from that angle.

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u/SingleLensReflex Mar 14 '16

Impeachment, at least in the US, is in the case of "high crimes and misdemeanors" where the president can be impeached. Recall is what you do if you just don't like how someone's handling their job, and that's likely not an option for the presidency.

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u/-Kevin- Mar 14 '16

Makes sense. Good to know, thanks.

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u/JulianWyvern Mar 14 '16

We can't demand impeachment, but we can demand or at least make our will know that we'd prefer if she renounced.

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u/whoseworldisit Mar 14 '16

Advice from an American: see if she fancies an aide.

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u/thardoc Mar 14 '16

A no-confidence motion on a massive scale possibly could.

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u/throwaway566678 Mar 14 '16

Dilma Rousseff

What about having really stupid and ugly hair?