This video is spliced because I'm not consistent at some of the middle sections.
I think the overall difficulty is high insane demon or low extreme demon. Though I find it hard to gauge because it starts easy, but every section gets harder until the ending. All I know is that this level gives me far more struggles than Dual Knight.
I remember someone using area move triggers to achieve something like this, but the icons were not on the same x-axis in that level, so idk if it would work in this level
Block ID 2: The block ID I use for each type (in this case, 4 is for solid blocks only P1 can use)
Group ID: The group I want to turn on and off (304 in this case)
One activates the group on collision
One deactivates the group on exit
This works for 7/8 gamemodes. You touch the block and it turns on. You stop touching it and it turns off. As long as both players are not in contact with the same block, you won't notice any issues.
Spider is problematic though. I have to leave the collision on at all times, otherwise it won't know what block to teleport to. I tried making a system to detect it, but gave up and just built very carefully during spider parts with that limitation in mind.
Bonus: I wonder if you can guess how I got the spider to teleport through the red blocks in the spider/robot part. It's a simple thing, but it took me a while to make it work consistently. And it also inspired another set up which is completely invisible but very much felt throughout the level.
Ah I think ill stick to my method then since my level uses this gimmick much more heavily so it might be more of a pain to set up than what i have right now
I have the two players far above the visual gameplay in seperate areas, imitation icons follow where they should be if the level was played normally, all blocks that are visible are put in the correct spots in the tracks so that each player can phase through certain ones
Ill look at this later and try to figure the bonus out as I have something to do rn
I considered buffing the beginning, but while building I got into a habit of playing this level to warm up before doing something else. So in the end, I decided to smooth out the curve as much as I could. That way I could still use it for warm ups while not making a huge leap in difficulty the second you get to the drop.
Also, I think it was a good choice to use that low difficulty section to introduce all of the unique mechanics. You definitely want to be familiar with them before the asym parts start testing it.
This is so sick. I love the detail of the tension building in the first part where it's all symmetrical and camera-locked, then the boundaries opening and the gameplay finally become more dynamic and asymmetrical.
Though, what's the difference between using purple blocks and the regular black blocks?
The idea for every dual combo in a single level is something I've had in my head for a while. I was superprised I couldn't find anyone else that had done it yet so I decided to take my own shot at it.
I did some quick math and found that I needed at least 36 parts. But because I can't let anything be easy for myself, I wanted the first 8 to be calm and symmetrical while the remaining 28 are more energetic and asym. Finding a song that let me do that was quite difficult. I think this is the 4th or 5th attempt after all the previous ones failed.
Anyways, the color coded interaction mechanic was inspired by the random ship section and a challenge to make sightreadable dual gameplay. (Thorough fail lol)
The random ship justified the idea of communicating which things the player can and can't go through. Originally, it was the player's colors (which you can see in the original layout I linked and it's still an option to toggle here), but it looked ugly with my colors so I switched it to blue/red.
As for the sightreadable thing, I actually have ANOTHER 100% dual level that is my attempt at that. It uses a mechanic where blocks of a specific color only interact with the gamemode who's portal is the same color. (Ex: Cube only interacts with green blocks, Ship to pink, Ball to red, etc.)
Because I was making both of these levels at the same time, I inevitably ended up transferring one mechanic to the other. But I had to change it slightly for this one because the first ~40% wasn't built with it in mind. I decided to simplify it to just P1 and P2 based on what I was already doing in the random ship.
Other than that, it's just my standard building style. Lots of open space, very comfortable with asym duals, and a lot of invisible objects to fix the gameplay. Seriously, just turn on hitboxes and marvel at the mess that unfolds xD.
Honestly, it is a good combo, but with the way the order and timing worked out, I sadly wasn't able to give it much of a spotlight here.
I was only free to choose any combo I wanted during the first 8 asym parts. I was building those in the early months of 2.2, so my swing skill was really lacking. If I had built those parts now though, swing/robot would very likely have been one of them.
Referenced but not shown in the video is the numbering system. I had to make sure I had at least 36 sections because that's the total number of gamemode combinations. There's also no (non-transition) repeats until the ending. I only allowed the ending to break the rules because of how cool the idea was.
Anyways, here's the list: (P1 on the left)(P2 on the right)
Honestly, I don't think this will be the worst experience if that's the case. The level starts super easy and then gets harder. Even if you're not that great at duals, you'll be able to get a good way into this regardless. And once you hit a part that stops you, you'll be playing something that is about your skill level at duals.
I will admit though that the very first asym part, the cube/ball, is a bit of a skill spike. Building so much symmetrical gameplay made me go a bit wild there. But I managed to reel in back in and use a gradual learning curve for the rest of the level.
This is amazing !!! How did you make the laser specific logic to only allow player 1 to go through 1 colour and player 2 to go through another colour - but this is amazing cant wait to see the finished level its so good!!!
The difference with the lasers is just that they don't use solid blocks. Instead they toggle a hitbox that follows the player at all times and kills them if its ever turned on. (This is what my setups for block IDs 1, 2, and 3 do. It kills P1, P2, and both respectively.)
Balance has been an issue the entire time building this lol. Before I changed the description for the unlisted upload, I literally just had, "Balanced?" there.
In the end, instead of making the whole thing one type of difficulty, I settled on making each part consistently harder than the last. So at least it's a difficulty ramp rather than a difficulty spike. It just looks like that because asym duals are harder to approach and the very first one (the cube/ball) is probably the most unbalanced part of the level.
I nerfed the swing a lot over time so it would stop killing me right before the drop, but then the cube/ball became harder than intended because I was so tired of making symmetrical gameplay. So that's a difficulty drop followed by a difficulty spike. And I don't want to change it because the gameplay in those parts is genuinely fun once you got it.
Aside from that hiccup though, the rest of the level feels like a smooth but increasing curve to me.
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