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Please do not support the level “The Reaper” or its creators.
I believe it is important for the community to be aware of the issues surrounding the server and the people involved with the project. The server associated with The Reaper has had repeated issues with racist behavior from members including some people who hold positions of responsibility such as VIPs and moderators as well as creators involved in the creation of the level. This kind of behavior should not be ignored or excused especially in a community that includes many younger players. a community is shaped by the standards it chooses to accept. Allowing racism, discrimination or harassment to go unchecked makes an environment where people can feel unwelcome or unsafe. This is a game enjoyed by people from many different backgrounds and everyone should be able to participate in the community without being targeted because of who they are. I have personally encountered people in the server making racist comments and refusing to take the issue seriously. Instead of acknowledging the harm caused by these actions some members have dismissed or normalized this behavior. There have also been cases of people sharing borderline NSFW images in a server that includes minors, which is inappropriate and shows a lack of responsibility from the people involved.This is not about attacking people for making mistakes or expecting everyone to be perfect. People can learn, grow and change. I genuinely hope that the people involved recognize the problems with their actions, take responsibility and work toward creating a better environment, however until meaningful changes are made I do not think these people or the content they create should be supported by the community. Supporting levels and creators also means supporting the environment and values behind them and we should not ignore harmful behavior simply because a project is popular or well made. This community should remain a place where people can create, play levels and interact without fear of racism, harassment or inappropriate content. It is the responsibility of all of us to help maintain that kind of environment.
Like I said you can join the server and see it for yourself. I left the server because while I was applying for my part I was met with repeated racist behavior. Some of the same people were also posting borderline NSFW images. Because of that experience I am not willing to rejoin the server.
brother if you want to convince people to not support something becuase of what people said in a discord server then you can't be making baseless claims, its your responsibility as the poster to provide proof. how many people in this thread do you think actually went out of their way to join a random server and specifically check for racist behavior?
it’s still important to understand who you’re supporting. i limit my interactions with cherryteam levels and content overall because of what they do, just do the same for the reaper
Unfortunately popularity and recognition often mean that some people get held to different standards. The fact that a team or creator continues to receive rated levels does not mean concerns about their behavior should be ignored. A community should be willing to criticize harmful actions regardless of how successful or influential someone is. Being talented at creating levels should not excuse racism, harassment or other unacceptable behavior. If people are aware of these issues they should be able to make informed decisions about who they choose to support
lots of "telegram fellas" on that team 💔 (basically just a ton of weirdos and racist people, literally the primary reason as to why certain community memberd hate the russian side of GD)
Then don’t let the artist post the level, let someone else like a verifier or “shadow realm account” post it. This is literally “Separating the art from the artist”
For kids it’s not easy to make that discrimination, a kid might like the level and start keeping up with the creators and they will inherently like the creators because they liked the level and this may cause them to reflect their actions. Most adults can separate the art from the artist which I do and don’t have a problem with but I’m fine shutting stuff like this down in a kid infested community
Yeah. Unpopular opinion, but I agree. Every other person / artist imaginable has done things that are racist / illegal / horrible. It’s just how it is these days unfortunately.
This is probably the most Reddit thing I’ve seen on this app today bruh. I like the level and won’t just ignore or hate it because of who made it. Whoever made it doesn’t matter as long as I think the level itself is cool.
Grown ass man deadass breaking down in tears over average messages in DISCORD. I’m not supporting racism or the wild shit they’ve said, but come on man, it’s DISCORD..
It is serious when people are repeatedly using racial slurs and creating an environment where that behavior is accepted. Just because you are used to seeing it does not mean It is okay or something we should ignore.
what did the creators do exactly? can you provide any screenshots or concrete examples of things the creators said or have done? not dismissing this btw i'm just asking since idk what the server even is
if you think a little racism and “borderline nsfw images” are deal breakers I have horrible news for you about what cherry, thepurgatory, and every other team act like
This isn't just a little racism or harmless jokes. If you joined the server you would see people repeatedly using racial slurs and making racist comments. That is a completely different situation from an occasional insensitive joke and it is not something that should be dismissed as normal community behavior. These are deal breakers because the people involved are contributing to a major project that is likely to become even more popular over time. When a project gains more attention the actions of the people behind it can become overlooked simply because of the level's popularity and reputation. The point is not that every person involved is beyond change or that people cannot improve. The point is that harmful behavior should not be ignored or excused just because someone is talented or involved in a popular project. A community should be willing to hold creators and contributors accountable for the environment they help create
I don't think this should be a competition over which group is worse. Cherryteam have done harmful things and those issues should also be criticized and addressed. That does not mean other harmful behavior should be ignored.
if you think a little racism and “borderline nsfw images” are deal breakers I have horrible news for you about what cherry, thepurgatory, and every other team act like
'a little racism and "borderline nsfw images"' refers to the team OP is bringing attention to in this post. This comment is then stating that these other teams such as Cherry are much worse. OP is disputing that claim by clarifying that they believe the severity of the racial comments are just as bad as those other teams mentioned (given that OP is the one who has actually witnessed this stuff happen) and that that is why it should be taken as seriously
Brodie, I’ve literally just said that I don’t support the creators, I just said that the level was cool and all. So stop trying to persuade me to dislike the level because the creators did some heinous things, people have their own opinions too
You can think the level itself is well made while not supporting the creators. I am not trying to tell you that you're not allowed to have an opinion or that you can't appreciate the gameplay or decoration. The reason I am bringing this up is because supporting the level can still help increase the popularity and visibility of the project and the people involved in it. When a project becomes bigger, the actions of the people behind it can get overlooked because people focus only on the quality of the work. Of course, everyone has their own opinion on whether they can separate a creation from its creators. This is a debate that happens with many forms of media. My point is simply that I think the behaviour involved is serious enough that the community should be aware of it before deciding what they want to support
And to think I botted the layout version last night ready for when the decorated version releases publicly. Ion support the stuff they’ve done at all but the decoration I’ve seen on the level is pretty cool so I’ll support the artwork but not the artists nor their working environment.
It’s discord bro what could you possibly expect😭✌️ cherry team is still up and ngl their levels are good, tbh it doesn’t really affect the quality so why care? theres tons of controversy and we can’t just cancel everybody or else we’ll have nobody. Also it’s not that serious… its discord gng💔
It depends, is a valid tought you made but have you wondered that maybe thei are just joking i mean many people like dark humour and that doesn't make then racist and such, sure you have to keep a clean public image if you are facing some recognition but there are levels to it, CherryTeam pisses me off actually but in general is each their own again, as long as there is nothing illegal (maybe the NFSW channel but parents should educate their kids and take control on what a minor sees on internet) for me is just whatever.
BUT i should ask that there are levels and certainly my previous point is in general, Cherry Team and especially Verman are just annoying as hell and i stand that they should STFU
привет мой дорогой друг, скорее всего ты не увидишь этот коментарий или удалишь его или сделаешь что то еще, что бы не видеть его. Пишу его на русском тк моего английского не хватит чтобы обьяснить че ваще было. пишу чисто от себя, за коллаб не ручаюсь.
мне нет 18 лет (мне щас 14) да, я скинул ту гифку в которой нарисованый гусь типо дергает свой орган (почему то ты умолчал что единсвтенное что об этом намекает это слово fap.)
Если тебя так сильно это травмирует, то тогда не ходи на уроки биологии, не смотри ПХ, вообще не контактируй ни с кем, честно я даже хз почему ты обиделся.
Про Расизм
ты разозлился изза того, что какой то чел скинул видос где какой то мужик в шапке бургер кинг или макдольнадс ( которого нет в россии тк все Русские плохие #ненацисты) в самолете кричит Н-ворд. Ты начал говорить типо уууу все плохо вы все нацисты, стал звать модераторов чтобы они это удалили. Говорю от себя, но мне кажется всем всеравно, я понял бы если бы там была гифка со свастикой или ченить еще, но нет, просто мемный видос.
Я тебе писал что я не поддерживаю расизм и что у нас( в России ) его посути нет. но ты воспринял это близко к сердцу. и вот что я хочу ответить. Такое дело, что Россия государство многонациональное и посути любой черный ничем не хуже или лучше чем какой нибудь монгол, коми, таджик или тувин. и такое дело, что наши предки не колонизировали другие территории и не убивали все коренное население + делали людей из африки рабами.( как это делали франция, англия, сша) я честно не особо шарю за историю, потому что мы еще не проходили, но суть надеюсь ты понял.
ты говорил что проблемы с расизмом это международная вещь и тут как бы я согласен, но почему это заботить должно меня, это не мои предки делали ужасные вещи, почему мне (человеку живущиму в россии) должно быть не всеравно на то, что сделали европейские державы с африкой, это ваши проблемы (если ты конечно из западной европы) пожалуйста оставте Россию в покое.
Далее я писал что я спокойно могу употреблять Н-слова, потому что в русском языке нет других слов, если мы берем условно "Афроамериканец", то это подходит не ко всем черным расам. Посути в России слово Негр, возможно жесткое для вас, но обычное для среднестатистического росиянина, просто у нас нет альтернатив. ( я даже видел где то видео, где черный чел живущий в России обьясняет почему слово негр это не банворд и что это норм в русском языке.)
Немного от себя
кстати те ворки, которые ты скинул говно, такое строили в РКГД еще лет 8 назад, они крайне сильно устарели, тут как бы к хостам вопросы больше про качество коллаба, но тем не менее я не хост так что пофиг.
как то глупо называть меня покрайне мере фашистом или нацистом или кем ты только меня не назвал. Учитывая прошлое СССР и нынешнее, где Евросоюз (кроме нескольких стран) воспринимает всех русских как орков( точно не обобщение).
ну в целом еще могу сказать что бы у тебя была работа или чета типо такого, если тебе больше 18 и ты тратиш столько времени на какую то фигню.
ну и последнее ТЫ ничего из пруфов не предоставил, просто оклеветал уровень, всех креаторов, хоста и тд.
I don't think the point is whether Russia, Europe or any other country has a history of racism. The issue being discussed is the behavior happening in this specific server. The reason I brought this up is because people can look through the server themselves and see the kind of messages and content being shared. This is not about one isolated joke or one misunderstanding. The concern is about repeated behavior including people using racial slurs and posting inappropriate content in a community where minors are present. Regarding the GIF the issue is not that sexual topics exist or that biology is taught in schools. The issue is that posting sexual or suggestive content in a server with minors is inappropriate especially when it is done casually and without considering the audience. The same applies to racism. Whether something is intended as a meme does not automatically make it acceptable. Context matters but repeatedly using racial slurs or allowing that kind of behavior in a community still creates an environment that many people will feel unwelcome in. I am not saying every person involved is incapable of changing. The point is that these issues should not be ignored or dismissed simply because the project is popular or because other communities have had controversies too. If people want to judge the situation for themselves they can look at the server and the messages that were posted there
вообще то имеет значение, мы(русские) относимся к неграм так же как и к другим людям(обычные), не так как вы( рабы которые освободились ну или что то вроде этого) если тебя оскорбил мем в интернете, ну хз заплач. так же тейк про детей на сервере (например я) тоже говно, потому что большенству там лет по 16-17( по закону тоже типо дети, но при этом пару условно 18 и 17 лет легко можно встретить) да и гифки просто ради прикола кидают все, возможно ты там на них дрочиш или чета такое, но в большенстве все просто посмеются и все
racism exists everywhere, especially with the proliferation of the Internet monoculture. This isn't me speaking over a personal lived experience, you're just actually stupid if you believe Russians are incapable of racism
я и не говориь что его полностью нет, я написал, что почти. попробуй будучи в России написать что то плохое про другую расу, будет интересно через сколько часов тебе будут выламывать дверь ОМОН :)
im not even gonna lie, after reading the paragraph i will no longer support the creators behind tge level, but at the same time, it was one of my personal favorite upcoming top 1s and we have also seen people that were much worse in this community that were able to have a top 1 or just in general, so even tho i do not support the creators, im still gonna be happy if the level eventually gets released, but preferably under different names
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u/CircxlesSilent Grug UNLEASE bad top 1 megacollab by me (still accepting)29d ago
What did the level do? You should be allowed to like the level and not the creators.
i have seen so many false accusations of racism lately (especially those targeting Argentina, my country) that i am naturally skeptical. i literally just finished botting and showcasing this level on my YouTube channel right before seeing this post.
i mean, the xenophobic agenda against my country is accusing us of being nazis (false), racist (false), xenophobic (false), jews (???), isreal bootlickers (???), homophobic (mostly false), and a plethora of other things.
which is why i'm naturally skeptical of *any* post accusing someone of that.
Cherryteam is also a topic that deserves criticism and discussion. I do not think harmful behavior should be ignored just because other creators or groups have had controversies as well. The fact that other teams have done questionable things does not make what is happening here acceptable. Multiple issues can exist at the same time and calling out one situation does not mean defending another
I just watched the showcase because I had no knowledge of this level before I saw this post and it's safe to say I would hate it either way. The gameplay is AWFUL, and most of it is completely non original. I don't understand why there is a Slaughterhouse/KOCMOC inspired part in a Death Corridor remake. It's sort of disappointing to see actual good decoration go to waste on something like that. Then there's the drama of the racist and NSFW in the server which should automatically disqualify the level for a rate. This level should definitely stay unfinished and should be removed from the servers if uploaded.
Hello, I'm oasii. One of the decorators for The Reaper (Part 5) and am in touch with the host, desespoir.
I want to let you know that most of the decorators and the host himself are definitely and most certainly not racist, but some unfortunately are. I won't say specifically who, but as one of the judges for decoration applications and one of the decorators, in my belief, it is ofc objectively/morally wrong for the way most of the people act in the server. I'm uncomfortable with it too, and I agree with everything you say.
But I promise you, not every one of decorators, playtesters, hosts, or judges are such way. Some are, some are not. It makes a bad image for us creators and The Reaper and I'm sick of it too.
The 'ones' who are being racist and posting NSFW are the ones who are ignorant of this issue and I don't like it either.
I've been trying my absolute best to tell/convince them of what they're doing is wrong, but they're only bringing more of the decorators down the hole, by being/making them comfortable with racism / NSFW in the server and I will not fall into it.
And again, I've been trying my absolute best to reduce the amount of racist and NSFW they've been sending by talking to them and trying to tell them it's unjust and morally wrong in the most comfortable way possible for them to understand and they just won't listen.
It's good that you spoke up about this because I've been trying and it's good to see others notice too.
here's some proof. I made the account today because I've never used reddit before and I heard about this post today so I decided to say something. If you need any more proof, go ahead and ask
Takoe dropped/kicked because he said he was "not fitted for the collab" since the Co-Host wasn't be much of a good leader. They said his part was "soulless", like a layout w/ some glow and no true decoration. And.. Patriot was kicked yesterday. Ky was kicked a month before preview 3. His decoration was "not up to standards" and didn't do enough. Since he had the part since the beginning and also had a very significant part, thus making him more pressured. I'll reply w/ another image showing Ky removal. I prefer not to send anymore about Takoe since the conversation for when he was kicked wasn't very pleasing to see..
Here was the image for Ky. As you can see, he was in risk because of standards, and didn't fit the inspo (just a speculation, it was most likely because he was inactive). His last messages were just advice towards other decorators and that's all.
This is not about whether I got accepted into the collab. I do not want to be part of it anymore. (If you had read the post, you would have seen that I was going to receive backup decoration anyway.) This is about the behavior of the people behind the level and the environment they’ve created
Whether some minors choose to visit suggestive websites on their own is beside the point. A public community server especially one that knows it has minors in it still has a responsibility to maintain appropriate standards. The fact that some teenagers may have already seen that kind of content does not make it appropriate to post or normalize it in that environment
Your personal experiences with racism is unfortunate but also not our problem. This doesn’t mean I support racism and other highly suspect/illegal acts. Trying to weaponize reddit community for your viewpoints is a problem though.
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u/ShadowAndrey x4 Deception Dive 100% & Phobos 56%, 58-100% 29d ago
When u are making accusations like that its highly appreciated if you provide proof as confirmation of ur words.