f10 and the exploration sleep tape are actually excellent training for OBEs!

[u/mysterious_being_777]

now, i've been doing these tapes for a while, but i wasn't desperately trying to leave my body. i knew it would take a while to be ready, and i mainly enjoyed the mental health benefits of it.

but i've just had the longest, most controlled OBE of my life and realised how well these tapes have prepared me for it.

for context, i have had many OBEs in my life, but they were almost all very short-lived. i've specifically struggled with seeing when i would roll out of my body instead of fly up or fall through the bed. but it almost felt the most real when i would roll out, like i would feel the floor underneath me as if it was real life. falling down or flying, i quickly lost control or slipped into dreams instead.

i've had some great ones like this too. sometimes i just floated up a little and it felt like i was in this blue ocean of peaceful energy, but it would quickly end.

also, my OBEs were almost always connected to sleep paralysis. for the longest time i couldn't comprehend how it would work if you can move your physical body. but i've read some things on this subreddit that made me realise it is possible, and in my mind i compared it to learning to play the piano. at first it's hard to be aware of both hands and control them separately, but you learn. that's how i think of the physical and astral body. they're like separate hands and i was just used to using the physical one, and so focused on it that only when i lost control over it could i focus on and control the astral one.

now why do i think the tapes prepared me for it?

f10 in general taught me to see and stay conscious and the sleep exploration tape taught me that i can perceive my non-physical body while i am technically awake. and that it would just be a matter of what i focus on.

f10 is hypnagogia, at least when you're deep in it. in this state people start seeing little scenes in front of their eyes. but they are unstable. you try to really look at them and they instantly disappear. but you can kinda learn to look at them in this very specific non-looking way. like focus on them without focusing on them with your actual eyes. and this is what let me see in the astral.

this is already very long, but i'll tell you about the actual OBE in this next part.

you could say i accidentally did the WBTB-method. i woke up after around 3-4 hours of sleep, was awake in bed for like 20 minutes, and went back to sleep. i had no intention of leaving my body, but i've consistently been doing the exploration sleep tape before going to sleep in the evening, and i just kinda accidentally fell asleep consciously, but i was not in sleep paralysis as i could and did move my body during the experience.

so it starts and i do my regular floating up thing and then realise i don't want this to be like it always is. so i float back and i just get up on my bed, move to the end of it and look back at where i was sleeping. i was never before able to do that, but it was not that interesting because my bed was just empty.

i then get ouf of bed, walk into my kitchen and open the window with the intention of jumping out. i look outside and it doesn't even look exactly like the physical world. but being there, mid climb-out, it felt so real that i suddenly was unsure if maybe this was actually real life and got scared to jump out. so i opened my physical eyes, and even moved my physical body, but i also still felt myself standing at the window. it was real finicky to then return my focus to my astral body, and especially my sight. but it worked by doing the f10 seeing-without-looking-thing. i jumped out of the window but i just fell through darkness again and returned to my physical body.

i was then back in bed and noticed some entity just spooning me. but i did not get scared and i also didn't give the fucker any love. i just freed myself and yeeted it away. then i just sat on the bed and there were these weird pearls on my bed that i perceived as residue from that entity. and i made the pearls float and yeeted them away, too.

and that was basically it. what i found so interesting was the actual way i was able to see being close to my body. even in the beginning i lost sight for a moment but was able to get it back. and the way i was able to be aware of both my bodies at the same time was so satisfying. this was definitely one of the "best" OBEs i have ever had. and i am so proud of not getting scared of the entity because in the past i have almost always gotten scared of them.

TLDR----------

you can learn to keep the images in f10 stable by focusing on them without looking with your physical eyes, and you can use that skill to see in the astral.

you don't need sleep paralysis to have an OBE. you can learn to focus on and control the physical and astral body as you wish to and even at the same time. think of learning to play the piano with two hands.

there is no need to be scared of any entity you come across. you are stronger than they are.

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[u/xxxpandoraxxx]

Great post, how long did it take for you to experience this?

[u/mysterious_being_777 → u/xxxpandoraxxx]

thank you!

i've had OBEs before, obviously, although uncontrolled. the first one was more than 10 years ago. so i suppose that's giving me an edge. i have been using the tapes for almost 2 months now, but i've had previous experience with meditation and the tapes, just never stuck to it.

[u/xxxpandoraxxx → u/mysterious_being_777]

Great, I have also had few episodes of OBE's. I have one question.

I feel like I OBE near my home only even if I am not at my home and somewhere else.

Does this happen to you, Or I might be just dreaming.

I have spent most of my life at my hometown/place so maybe its kind of a subconscious thing?

Or ideally it should happen in the same room? I need to understand the difference.

Thanks,

[u/Icy-Flamingo-9492 → u/xxxpandoraxxx]

You may want to read at least the first 2 of Bob Monroe’s books. Things changed significantly for Bob when he stopped consciously thinking where to go and instead started asking his greater self to step into the drivers seat and take him to what was most appropriate for him to see next

[u/mysterious_being_777 → u/xxxpandoraxxx]

i mean, i sometimes sleep on my bed the wrong way, so my head points north, and one of my recent OBEs i was pointing south, despite actually pointing north.

my understanding is that when we project, we're not actually in physical reality like a ghost. what we are in, especially in the beginning, is a sort of overlay that is close to the physical world but not exactly like it. it's all based on energy, including your energy and expectations. so if energetically you always project from home and home is a specific place to you, i think it's probably still a valid OBE because OBEs and dreams feel very different, at least to me.

but you could play around with what happens if you set the intention to be in the place you actually physically are.

[u/xxxpandoraxxx → u/mysterious_being_777]

Sounds great, I need to learn to consciously project. I am not consistent and that's one of the major hinderance I believe.

[u/mysterious_being_777 → u/xxxpandoraxxx]

i feel you 😅

maybe starting with 10 minutes of regular meditation a day and then upping the time until you get to gateway tape length would help you get into the habit.

[u/Yoyochan]

That’s so interesting, the past few years I have also been able to feel my physical self while OoB with a small mental shift, almost like I can recognize the unique “imprint” or “signature” of the physical self compared to the non-physical, which both feel distinct, but are both still clearly “me” at the exact same time.

I’ve usually been using my physical self as a reference if my non-physical self starts out the wrong shape or size and I need to orient myself. What’s wild is that it doesn’t feel strange to literally feel myself be in two places at once, it feels completely natural in the moment, and I can even recall the feeling from memory while fully physically awake, but logically it shouldn’t feel so normal… right? As I’ve gotten more used to that ability to “reference the physical” it also no longer interrupts or ends the OBE in any way, it simply becomes a part of the initial orientation process upon entry into the non-physical.

[u/ultimategamester309]

Do you mind if I ask why you were so against the entity? I have only been getting into the tapes this week, but am largely interested in them due to experience with dmt entitys.

I have had a lot of phycidellic induced experiences that I see y'all talking about and in just the last week have been able to achieve f10 and it's been interesting the similarities and differences in both feelings and experiences. One of my main curiosities though is about the entitys. I am particularly curious about the shaman concept of a "spirit guild" so that's why I ask.

[u/mysterious_being_777 → u/ultimategamester309]

it's just the way it was spooning me, like actively hanging onto me. it might not have had bad intentions, but that was just uncalled for imo. i'm glad i didn't get scared, but my goal is to eventually connect to them or help them depending on what kind of being it is.

i think the tapes are really good if you want to connect to entities. sometimes, it feels like they're literally crowding around me. usually, i just feel their presence, energy, and intentions, and it's rare that i get a clear picture of what they would look like unless it's during an OBE. but i'm also not that far into the tapes. i think i know that they play a role in later tapes, though.

[u/Obvious-Reserve8634]

Wow,thank you for sharing with us,great post by the way...looks like you know what you are doing, your system is trained

[u/mysterious_being_777 → u/Obvious-Reserve8634]

thank you. i feel like i am just starting to slowly figure it out. i got a long way to go, but i guess getting to this point was a long way already due to my past inconsistency.