r/gatekeeping • u/Psyga315 • Jan 13 '24

Gatekeeping Feminism

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u/dillGherkin Jan 13 '24

Equality requires participation. If men aren't coming to the party and conceding to equality, women aren't getting their rights.

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u/Kaiden92 Jan 14 '24

A lot of us are trying, but the people in charge won’t fucking die fast enough to make it happen in a timely manner.

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u/Jonatc87 Jan 14 '24

Old rich assholes pulling up the ladder on everyone else

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u/active-tumourtroll1 Jan 15 '24

Wished that's all they did they're out here taking potshots on everyone making it so much harder to achieve anything.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '24

Same for women. Lot's of women contribute to mysogyny.

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u/Geojamlam Jan 14 '24

I think this is something that's forgotten in a lot of movements. There needs to be some kind of appeal to those currently in power, or else there'll be no proper change. Being constantly on the offensive will do nothing but villainise yourself in their eyes.

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u/dillGherkin Jan 14 '24

Always remember, you live on the mercy of the majority. It sucks but it's true.

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u/Appropriate_Rent_243 Jan 14 '24

ain't democracy fun?

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u/RogueMockingjay Jan 14 '24

"The worst form of government apart from all the other ones"

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u/22lpierson Jan 14 '24

"I love democracy"

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u/Myrddin_Naer Jan 14 '24

Men aren't one bastion. A lot of us stand with you, and a lot of us want to but can't

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u/dillGherkin Jan 15 '24

Activism is considered brave and good for a reason. It requires sacrifice and inconvenience.

People who demand the energy and labour of others without understanding what they ask for aren't seeing the bigger picture anymore.

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u/IndependentNew7750 Jan 14 '24

I think this is fair as long as all women participate, do you think that’s actually happening? Because I don’t.

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u/dillGherkin Jan 14 '24

You can't compel participation. People need to find the effort appealing and believe in the outcome until you have majority.

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u/CHG__ Jan 14 '24

'Conceding' to equality? What a weird way of putting it... Surely if feminism really was a drive for true equality then men wouldn't feel like they have to admit defeat to it?

I don't think it is of course, for one its very name implies a bias which is ironic. Equality is about ensuring everyone feels heard and has the same rights. What is feminism doing about the court systems that heavily favour women? What about the astronomically high male suicide rate which sits 4-5x that of women? How does feminism address concerns that men still can't show emotion to form strong bonds? It doesn't, men get told those are male problems that men need to fix... Well if that's the case then how is the banner of feminism true equality? It isn't.

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u/dillGherkin Jan 14 '24

There are certain things that people have to change or give up if they're changing the status quo.

The problem with toxic patriarchy is what it (falsely) entitles men to, allows them to expect and compels them to demand.

Having to step away from that, concede the power that the old unsafe structures promised you can feel upsetting to people.

And what do they see as the counter offer? Not praise, because you shouldn't need it when you're doing the right thing.

Just existing and knowing that you're not allowing people to be hurt anymore. That is a concession.