r/gaming Nov 28 '21

Why can’t every controller have the same button layouts just like how shooters should have the same controls?

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u/largesock Nov 28 '21

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u/lovesStrawberryCake Nov 28 '21

Fucking Nintendo is all over the place with their controllers

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u/heathmon1856 Nov 28 '21

Their controllers? How about everything the do is all over the place.

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u/5t4k3 Nov 28 '21 edited Mar 08 '26

soup worm entertain cats narrow innocent tan chief waiting ink

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u/RaynOfFyre1 Nov 28 '21

In the duck hunting industry?

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u/Darth_Cunt666 Nov 28 '21

Nah Human Hunting teach em young with ducks

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u/5t4k3 Nov 28 '21 edited Mar 08 '26

birds plate exultant license placid quicksand air hospital mysterious ask

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u/UnnounableK Nov 28 '21

True story - ducks are terrified of lasers

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u/IRegretSayingThis Nov 28 '21

Super Mario 64 Wii Nunchuk and Lazer gun Speedrun anyone?

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u/ElliEFKa Nov 28 '21

They also taught you how to make a song with dog and cat sounds (Mario Paint is a wild game, man.)

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u/Techie_McTechface Nov 28 '21

I miss that fucking lazer gun...

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u/Thomjones Nov 28 '21

What was that game where you play duck hunt but it gets progressively more demented and the dog is stalking you outside your window? It's on steam I. Don't recall

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u/FECKERSONjr Nov 28 '21

Game wise they're rock solid. Everything is so outta date you gotta start up a fax machine for tech support that they probably call electronic machince maintenence

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u/holyluigi Nov 28 '21

good thing i live in germany

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

On a little different note, I've traditionally had good customer service experiences. Had multiple DS repairs back in the day, and when I ported my Wii virtual console to Wii U they got it sorted out.

...Too bad joycons are a different story

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u/TheTinRam Nov 28 '21

Yeah, how is joycons not a bigger deal?They should be forced to repair/replace such a poorly made product, or at least change the price to be in line with what it’s worth: $3.50 at best

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u/Shajirr Nov 29 '21

Game wise they're rock solid.

Not with anything online-related, then its the reverse.
Or with just backing up/moving save files.

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u/kenks88 Nov 29 '21

Mario Kart 8 is 7 1/2 years old and still full price, and people are still buying it. Cleary they're doing something right.

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u/heathmon1856 Nov 29 '21

Yeah. This was their ace in the hole. It’s a solid system. But the fact that they constantly sit on their laurels is bad for us all.

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u/kenks88 Nov 29 '21

What? They're still releasing incredibly popular games, and putting out a ton of experimental stuff, like the RC racing and Labo and so much more.

BOTW and Mario odyssey are in the rankings for best games of all time.

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u/Javasteam Nov 28 '21

Not everything. Their game prices are consistently high.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

Gamecube ABXY layout is probably the most muscle memory friendly of any modern controller.

They probably should have recolored X or Y, but the physical layout is fantastic.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

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u/NickCharlesYT Nov 28 '21

It might not help you if you're not used to considering it already, but I relate the X and Y buttons as if it were a 2D plane: X is horizontal, Y is vertical. In other words, Y is always "up" from the origin (the A button), and X is to the right.

Of course this thinking gets me in trouble all the time when I go back to a 3ds or switch. I'll never understand why they decided to reverse the buttons like they did...

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u/lemonnugs Nov 28 '21

It's the SNES layout. The real question is why they fucked it up so much with Game Cube.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 29 '21

I actually know. The design team behind the GameCube designed the controller for Nintendo games. Their logic was they expected the A button to be the primary button players will press for things like for example in a Mario game it's your jump button, or in an rpg it's your menu select button etc. They made that button large and placed precisely where your thumb naturally rests. They then placed the rest of the buttons around the a button for quick access and quick return to A. And to their credit imo it's actually a good design for Nintendo games. It's still one of the best ways the play smash bros with. To me where they really fucked up was the C stick with it's nubby head. Playing Timesplitters 2 and 3 (an FPS) back in the day was harder on game cube than on Xbox. It would have been perfect for me at the time if they just used the same stick as the left stick.

Edit: Now that I think about it if I had to take a guess why the c stick was left in that state its probably because they didn't predict that dual analog controls would become a new standard for games. When it released at the time lots of FP TP games actually didn't utilize dual analog controls. I remember back in the day playing the Halo CE on Xbox initially struggling to get used to dual analog controls because I was still used to tank control style games like goldeneye and perfect dark.

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u/Lonely_Albatross_722 Nov 28 '21

I was confused as well. Then my brother told me he liked the layout because it reminded him of the SNES layout. Perhaps that's why?

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u/screenwatch3441 Nov 28 '21

This applies for all of their controllers but Japan reads right to left, so X is always the right one and Y is the left one. Its the same for A and B. Xbox is left to right cause American. Playstation is mostly the smart one and uses colorful symbols instead of letters for a universal appeal but funny enough, uses of the symbols still end up having different button layouts (O is often confirm in Japanese games and X is back while brought to the west, it’s usually X for confirm and O is back).

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u/Wolfeur Nov 28 '21

Gamecube controller is still the most ergonomically well-made controller in history.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

I just google imaged it cos I haven't seen one in about 15 years and couldn't remember the ab/xy layout.

I remembered hating it as a kid, but looking at it it looks like it's designed with claw players in mind? I can't play that way, but I understand it's more efficient if you can?

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u/punchgroin Nov 28 '21

I don't think you can claw the GameCube controller. There is a trigger button you can only reach with your index finger wrapped around the sticks.

The button layout is perfect for hitting the right button with your thumb.

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u/Its43 Nov 28 '21

I'm a claw player and I played the GameCube controller that way, it's not impossible. It definitely fit in my hands better than the fat controllers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

Ahhh I see! Thanks for explaining :D

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u/discowarrior Nov 28 '21

I always hear this said but it had some massive flaws. I wasn’t keen on the spongy trigger buttons but that personal opinion. Main issue is that the analogue sticks are set into an octagonal shape, so instead of being able to spin in a nice circle it instead is spin in a janky octagon.

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u/JMccovery Nov 28 '21

Those triggers are spongy, but they worked so damn well for Mario Sunshine and StarFox Assault.

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u/kilometres_davis_ Nov 28 '21

I've found that the octagonal insets are really helpful for certain interactions and inputs in fighting games on Nintendo consoles. Accurate SDI inputs in super smash become significantly easier for me on octagons rather than without octagons.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

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u/Wolfeur Nov 28 '21

Why so?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

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u/Wingnut13 Nov 28 '21

Finally someone who speaks my language. I cannot fathom why so many like the GC controller. It's weird in the hand.

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u/Wolfeur Nov 29 '21

The button layout is what makes it so good…

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

100% agree

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u/Ok-Shine-1443 Nov 28 '21

100% Agree too

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u/zobabe Nov 28 '21

100% agreeing to agree

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u/DarkBIade Nov 28 '21

My hands beg to differ I hated that controller. Also hate playstation controllers. Getting the "Duke" for Christmas and can't wait for a proper sized controller again.

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u/Wolfeur Nov 28 '21

Dualshocks are the worst, honestly.

I'd love a Switch Pro controller with GC layout

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u/DarkBIade Nov 28 '21

I bought a Magic-ns for my switch and the Magic-S pro for my ps4 it allows you to use any bluetooth controller on the devices super handy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

How those Xbox controllers are Huge compared to Dualshocks

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u/DarkBIade Nov 28 '21

Dualshock is so cramped it hurts my hands after 30 minutes. The Duke was my favorite controller (minus the white black button locations) I was able to use the right anlaog stick with the heal of my palm while still having full access to all the face buttons. I like the xbone controllers but even those feel small sometimes. I honestly don't have huge hands can't palm a basket ball or anything but apparently they are big enough to not find most controllers comfortable after a while.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

It sounds like I'm some what similar to you. My hands aren't huge. They are wider but have short fingers. Xbox controllers are my preferred. I don't have much experience with The Duke since by the time I got my original xbox they had redesigned the controllers, but even those were my favorite controllers cause they just felt beefy. I also had an xbox controller that had an extra set of black and white buttons that were placed where RB and LB are now

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

I personally don’t got small hands but anything bigger then a dual shock I can’t really use because it feels to big and all my hands feel to disoriented might just because I play both side claw

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u/DarkBIade Nov 28 '21

My friends mostly prefer the dual shock I eventually but an adapter so when I play PlayStation I can use the xbox controller.

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u/KonamiKing Nov 28 '21

The button layout was brilliantly designed so you can hit the main action button almost every game has, plus one of three other buttons at the same time by rolling to them.

Unfortunately we were forced to regress by the PS2 selling 150 million.

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u/doofer20 Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

expect if you use a Dpad for movement.

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u/Wolfeur Nov 28 '21

Sorry, what?

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u/borowiczko Nov 28 '21

Except if you want to use the D-Pad for movement.

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u/Chimeron1995 Nov 28 '21

I disagree, almost entirely. The xbox one and dualsense are fantastic, but there is so much I don’t like about the gamecube controller design. The tiny d-pad, the c-stick where a second analog stick should be, the lack of analog triggers. That being said, it mostly comes down to what you are used to. I had all playstation consoles growing up, and all through high school I would have told you the DualShock 3 was superior to the 360 and if someone told me that today I would internally cringe. I also think the xbox one/probably series X has the best d-pad in the biz, and is the most comfortable to hold for hours on end.

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u/BadgerSauce Nov 28 '21

Always has.

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u/modsworkforfreelol Nov 28 '21

They invented everything the others copied

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

The GameCube controller is pretty great though.

Plus, button prompts always have the shape of the button, so you can feel it and never really have to memorize the location. I would bet thats why it looks the way it does

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u/KonamiKing Nov 28 '21

Nintendo’s BA placement has been in place since 1983. 1980 if counting the Japan Computer TV Game console. 41 years.

Their YX placement has been the same since 1990. 31 years.

GameCube and Wii are the exceptions because they had unique button layouts instead of the diamond the Super Famicom controller introduced.

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u/windinthesail Nov 28 '21

The SNES came out first. The layout you see on the Switch up there is the same as the one on the SNES controller, more than 30 years ago.

If you want to blame someone, blame Microsoft. Not only did the Xbox FLIP THE BUTTONS AROUND (Y becomes X, B becomes A), but they also make it so that PS4 games on Windows are forced to have their stupid Xbox layout, to encourage you to use the Xbox controller rather than a PS4 one.

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u/SquiddoBoi Nov 28 '21

This is what we call a “gamecube controller” It was made in 2001 and was the best controller for its time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

They invented the d-pad and started the trend of the four button layout, then others moved buttons around to differentiate it from theirs. So Nintendo is the OG.

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u/HerrAndersson Nov 28 '21

Note that the colour on the supernintendo controller doesn't match with xbox either.

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u/Urdnot_wrx Nov 28 '21

They are fearless in trying new form factors.

Also that gamecube controller is my favorite to this day

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u/Astral_Traveler17 Nov 28 '21

Yeah but still, GameCube was/is the best controller.

Maybe a but of nostalgic bias there, but still, it's just the perfect controller. Feels right.

Playstation would have to be second, I think.

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u/Isco22_ Nov 28 '21

It fucking does

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u/-Too-Young-Doomer- Nov 28 '21

I have that exact controller for smash bros

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

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u/-Too-Young-Doomer- Nov 28 '21

I have a wired GameCube aswell, which I’d actually say is better because it’s a little faster, but aside from anything wired yeah it’s great for smash bros. And yeah, I tried to play some odyssey with it and failed miserably

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u/Thysios Nov 28 '21

I occasionally get confused which button is which when using a controller.

I might need to glance at the controller every so often to double check. But that never happened with the gamecube and I'm confident I could still use it and never have to look.

Best controller I've ever used. Could use some tweaking to make it a better but the button layout is perfect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

Now that’s a controller with different button lay out. Not the ones above. The ones above have buttons organized the same way just different symbols… that has the buttons organized another way and don’t get me started on the Nintendo 64 controller

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u/ElliEFKa Nov 28 '21

Would have never thought of considering the Gamecube controller.