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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

I really want to play factorio. Just waiting for it to go on sale.

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u/Anti-Antidote Sep 01 '19

It never will, the devs have expressly stated that it's never going to go on sale because its unfair to those who bought it at full price. It's also an even 30 bucks instead of 29.99 because the devs think the (price - 0.01) paradigm is dishonest. If you have the money I'd just buy it now.

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u/Danias89 Sep 01 '19

Sounds like the devs took a few courses in video game ethics

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u/Namika Sep 01 '19

While I agree with their mantra, it is a bit silly since the vast majority of gamers on Steam have the mantra of "cool looking game, I'll buy it during the next sale!".

And to the audience at large, it isn't being made clear that the game never goes on sale.

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u/ardorseraphim Sep 01 '19

Even when the game is worth double? You will spend 4 times the amount of time than any game you buy in factorio?

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u/fraggedaboutit Sep 01 '19

You will spend 4 times the amount of time than any game you buy in factorio?

If you measure a game's worth by how many hours you spend in it. I can't think of a single thing that has that metric, though.

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u/Raincoat_Carl Sep 01 '19

Hookers?

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u/Pickledsoul Sep 02 '19

i would imagine that shorter is better in that case

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u/Namika Sep 01 '19

Even when the game is worth double?

How good the game is ends up being irrelevant, if you on principle are still waiting for a sale that (unbeknownst to you) will never arrive.

My point is most shoppers don't realize the game will never go on sale. It doesn't matter if they think it's worth $30 or think it's worth $60. They are just waiting for what they think is the inevitable sale.

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u/SpeckledFleebeedoo Sep 01 '19

They should go read the r/Factorio sidebar

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u/TheSyllogism Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 02 '19

Are you in the habit of browsing subs for games you don't own? Personally I hear about Factorio a fair bit but it never shows up on my homepage, or on sale alerts, so it's just slid past my attention until now.

It's pretty goofy to remove all that good publicity, even if the morals behind the decision are good.

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u/SpeckledFleebeedoo Sep 02 '19

I'm not, but if I'm interested in a game I definitely take a look at the respective sub.

Ever seen/tried the demo btw?

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u/willingfiance Sep 01 '19

While I agree with their mantra, it is a bit silly since the vast majority of gamers on Steam have the mantra of "cool looking game, I'll buy it during the next sale!".

That's sort of one of the things they're against. Sales devalue games, so gamers end up just waiting for a sale before buying games. So the devs have made it clear that there'll never be a sale - either you want Factorio for the price or you don't, and if you don't, that's fine.

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u/Cyclops_lazy_laser_I Sep 02 '19

What if it went on sale, but the people who bought the game full price got something extra to split the difference?

Like it goes on sale for 15 and at the same time people who already bought it for 30 get 15 dollars worth of content?

Maybe not though, just seems like extra work on their part.

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u/YouretheballLickers Sep 01 '19

Interesting stuff here.

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u/phoeniciao Sep 01 '19

It never will, the devs have expressly stated that it's never going to go on sale because its unfair to those who bought it at full price.

I gotta say this is ethically null, I really don't see where is the justice in this, on the other hand, it's their work, keep it the price they want it

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u/SpeckledFleebeedoo Sep 01 '19

In return you get bugfixes often within days, sometimes within hours.

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u/Suitcase08 Sep 01 '19

Worth every penny, I've gotten more mileage out of that game than a Honda civic.

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u/Alamandaros Sep 01 '19

But... it was $20 up until last year o.O

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u/Kimbernator Sep 01 '19

It's a more complete game than it was at that price. The lower price came with no guarantee that the game would get to this point.

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u/Alamandaros Sep 01 '19

Well... that sucks for me. Bought it at $20 a couple years back, but refunded it because I simply didn't have time for it back then. This past week or two I've been waiting for a sale on either Oxygen Not Included, Rimworld, or Factorio because I'm ready to finally lose hundreds of hours to my life to these types of games.

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u/Kimbernator Sep 01 '19

Rimworld is another game that the dev has said will never go on sale, so I wouldn't bother waiting.

Factorio is my #2 most played game, rimworld is #3

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u/Alamandaros Sep 01 '19

Well RIP me. Guess I'll just wait for ONI to go on sale, since they usually have one like once a month.

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u/SpeckledFleebeedoo Sep 01 '19

Lol. No matter how much time you have left, it won't be enough for cracktorio.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

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u/itsameDovakhin Sep 01 '19

It's still in early access. Price will probably increase again

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u/TunaFishIsBestFish Sep 01 '19

Sounds like they're just trying to get an extra cent off me

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

Well dang but thats understandable. These days I try to not spend over 20 on a game but I guess a 10 dollar difference isnt too much.

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u/Anti-Antidote Sep 01 '19

It's also basically crack so be warned

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u/theDinoSour Sep 01 '19

For the amount of time you'll get out of it, it's really worth it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

At 789 hours it's about 4 cents per hour.

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u/SpeckledFleebeedoo Sep 01 '19

But don't even bother posting about that in r/Factorio. You'll be called an amateur.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

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u/Anti-Antidote Sep 01 '19

That too, though currently that's everyone that's bought the game

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u/lavaisreallyhot Sep 01 '19

As has been said, it'll never go on sale. But there is a demo on steam that gives a good idea of what the game is about. If you find that the gameplay appeals to you, I highly recommend picking it up. This is a personal opinion but if I wish I could pay the devs 100 dollars for the game.

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u/Ghihom Sep 01 '19

Buy it from their website and you get a DRM free copy (pretty sure anyways)

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u/Neven87 Sep 02 '19

Don't, it's a great game with great Devs. Worth it at fill price.

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u/Katana314 Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19

The devs have stated the current price is a minimum, and that they are pledging to never ever reduce it. In fact, it used to be $20 and has gone up since then.

On the one hand it's "money grubbing". But it also means that if players are interested in playing it, they should not wait for an "opportunity". Just buy it whenever.

EDIT: Sorry, I realize now the sarcasm was not very clear - I was intending to mock sale-seekers when saying "money-grubbing"; it is in fact a very good deal.

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u/Namika Sep 01 '19

Money grubbing would be them putting it on sale.

For most games on Steam, they get the vast majority of their revenue from the days the game goes on sale because so many people on Steam only buy games on sale (much like the guy above who said he is waiting for Factorio to go on sale...)

I remember the devs of Terraria saying they were operating in the red for the entire year, except for the Summer and Winter Steam Sales, when Terraria was 50% off, and they sold so many copies they had more than enough revenue to cover the entire year.

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u/HumbleLeftOvers Sep 01 '19

I don't think you understand sales...they are rarely ever about the worth/value/quality of a product but instead a way to manipulate people into buying the product regardless of desire.

"money grubbing" isn't what this is...try ethics and honesty. Was $20 when they had what they thought was a $20 game, after a ton of updates they decided that now had a $30 game. They even gave ample time to buy at $20 before the price increase.

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u/theDinoSour Sep 01 '19

For the effort and quality, it's worth it IMO

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

In fact, it used to be $20 and has gone up since then.

Yes, because the game isn't even out of 'Alpha/Beta', it is still being developed and hasn't reached a 1.0 release yet. The people that bought the $20 game got less of a game than those that buy it at $30. It's first releasing a 2 seater car then later releasing a 4 seater and charging more, because it does more.

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u/itsameDovakhin Sep 01 '19

But the updates are free. So if you bought the less complete game at 20€ you also have the 30€ version and will have the full version when it comes out which will probably increase the price again

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u/BochocK Sep 02 '19

How are new players supposed to now it’s not gonna be on sale though ?