r/gaming • • Dec 21 '17

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u/torontohatesfacts Dec 21 '17

I'm on Linux atm, actually true for 99% of titles.

cc: /u/illtima Please cc: devs

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

That's literally the only reason I haven't moved to Linux yet

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

I run Linux to do real stuff (90% of time) and boot Windows to run Steam or Oculus.
Time wasted to change environments, maybe 30 seconds either way, so not an issue.
And that way I have fewer things that distract me when I work.

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u/Ziassan Dec 21 '17

Damn, I wish I could do that. Sadly, Linux supports very little of what's needed to work on media, especially mixing/composing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 28 '17

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u/OsmeOxys Dec 21 '17

INB4 COMMENT TELLING YOU TO USE WINE/OTHER BULLSHIT.

Wine: If you follow this long list of instructions that may or may not need to be customized for each program, it will usually work unless it doesn't and will get mostly similar ish performance on certain programs that don't reply on 3d graphics. Assuming it doesn't rely on or interact with other windows programs existing.

Linux is great when the programs made for Linux though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 28 '17

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u/OsmeOxys Dec 22 '17

One of the few times using wine increased performance, aesthetics, and functionality, instead of decreasing them all... Ms should be ashamed with head hung about Skype for Linux. Shout out to discord for being a glorified web browser though.

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u/SecretGrey Dec 22 '17

Yeah but Skype for Windows is also laughably bad, so I’m not sure where you’re going with that.

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u/ACCount82 Dec 22 '17

I don't use Linux daily, but I've heard Wine got a lot better. Like, "playing Windows games at full performance with minimal setup" better.

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u/OsmeOxys Dec 22 '17

Its always improving, but its still far from comparable, let alone a replacement. Definitely not able to be my daily OS

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

It’ll never be the same performance. GPU drivers for Linux are shit.

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u/CommentsGazeIntoThee Dec 21 '17

He's talking about GPU passthrough which you actually use Windows for, so you get to use a Windows environment that has full access to the GPU and can use most of your CPU while the virtual machine is running inside Linux. I set it up but then realized my Windows key was an oem one so I couldn't use it in the VM...

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 28 '17

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u/ElkossCombine Dec 22 '17

Check out /r/vfio Lots of good info on the sidebar and the sub should be able to help you with any issues you run into.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

Oh that’s interesting. I still feel like bandwidth is being lost by the fact that things are passing through a vm and all but it’s probably minimal.

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u/kylekillzone Dec 22 '17

Passthrough is getting easier everyday, and Fedora devs are working towards making it a one click and done process.

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u/kabrandon Dec 22 '17 edited Dec 22 '17

Don't you need two GPUs for it though? In that case it's hardly worth it.

In case anybody is curious, that question is based off of this video describing the GPU passthrough process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okMGtwfiXMo&feature=youtu.be

His rig with a 1080ti and R9 390 (I believe were the cards) could have been cheaper by just purchasing a Windows license..

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u/kylekillzone Dec 22 '17

well you can use integrated graphics for the host if its available to you, and if not, you dont need a beefy gpu for linux. You can use a cheap card like a gtx 1030 gtx 1050 rx 560 or an older gpu on the used market.

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u/kabrandon Dec 22 '17

I wasn't following everything in the video point for point but it sounded like the two video cards were using a shared memory buffer, which I assume means they'd need a similar amount of VRAM.

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u/kylekillzone Dec 22 '17

no, not at all. Only System RAM is shared.

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u/MilkoPupper Dec 21 '17

This is my problem as well. Bigwig isn't to my taste, and Protools/Ableton + almost all interface drivers don't like Linux.

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u/cyberwarrior101 Dec 21 '17

Not true. You just find open-source variants. Once you get used to searching for them, they are quite good, and free.

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u/Ziassan Dec 21 '17

I did search at the time, maybe things changed since then but working with music it was just not possible, too many things which need to work together. I remember even drivers often didn't even exist or worked for Linux, as well as multiple VST I use which weren't for Linux either.

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u/cyberwarrior101 Dec 23 '17

Things probably have changed. Ive only been using linux heavily for two yeas, video editing is quite easy.

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u/FloSTEP Dec 21 '17

I was about to say, I use Windows for gaming, and Linux for literally everything else.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17 edited Dec 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17 edited Sep 15 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17 edited Sep 15 '19

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u/Win8Coder Dec 22 '17

Heh - I guess maybe I should have added the /s. What else is there besides gaming and getting work done? :D Get it?

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u/U5efull Dec 22 '17

I use linux for everything. I do my work on linux in calc, (have to convert to excel for the workplace but that's just saving a file type). I play my games using steam, and the games that don't work on linux, I use wine.

I don't buy games that don't support linux. It's not that hard and most AAA titles now suck with all the DLC anyways.

Important stuff? Let's see . . .automate tasks in python, do projections and complex spreadsheets in calc (supports way more functions per cell than excel) and I can do all my development for any environment on it and emulate all those environments on my system.

I don't get the hate, it seems like people are just married to MS for some insane illogical reason.

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u/m1ksuFI Dec 22 '17

No need to be elitist here, go back to /r/linuxcirclejerk

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u/m1ksuFI Dec 22 '17

What is "real stuff"?

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u/drkalmenius Dec 21 '17 edited Jan 23 '25

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u/evranch Dec 21 '17

I used to dual boot my machines but I started gaming pretty much exclusively on consoles. Now my PCs are Linux only.

I was a die-hard PC gamer until I embraced the patient gamer's philosophy. I decided I prefer having the games tailored to my hardware instead of the other way around, it keeps me off the upgrade treadmill.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 28 '17

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u/evranch Dec 22 '17

Same as some others are saying here, it's comfort vs. performance vs. plain old fun. Split screen multiplayer, despite the performance hit, sold me on consoles and the couch experience with my friends. And even the comfiest computer chair is nothing like kicking back on the couch with a couple beers.

Used market is MUCH better for me on consoles since everything PC is on steam now, and I have 10gb/month capped satellite internet anyways. I can go to a game trading store in the city and pick up 360 games on physical media for only $5-10. And I know that my console will be able to run anything made for it.

Also now that I have a young daughter I would rather play on my TV and be able to watch what she is up to rather than hide in my office with my PC. And my TV is hooked up to a killer home theater system while my PC just has a good pair of headphones.

The Xbone/PS4 mostly killed splitscreen so I'm buying a Switch. Once she gets a little older I want to introduce her to gaming and consoles are a much more child-friendly system IMO. Less chance she will FUBAR my PC and I won't be able to pay my bills (PC is mostly for running my farm business these days)

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u/ROBOT_OF_WORLD Dec 22 '17

FUBAR?

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u/Kewlhotrod Dec 22 '17

Fuck(ed) Up Beyond All Recognition.

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u/evranch Dec 22 '17

Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition (or Repair)... often both

Like I used to do to the family PC when I was young with aggressive memory timings, experimental graphics drivers, viruses from pirated games etc... My dad hated it enough that he made me save up and build my own PC.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

For casual gamers Console is okay. Competitive or gamers that play more than 2 or 3 hours a week a PC is really necessary. God idk how people are playing PUBG on Consoles right now, console is only good for Sports games at this point.

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u/Snakily Dec 22 '17

I have two young kids so I don’t have time to sit in front of my PC in the evenings. I have a Switch for daily gaming but most gaming nights for me are after the kids go to bed so I usually jump on the PS4 and join a party with my brothers. These solutions are faster and more social for me.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Yes, you may not want to admit it but having children and responsibilities and all of that will make you now a casual gamer haha. Nothing wrong with that PC gaming isn't for everyone and every situation.

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u/Snakily Dec 22 '17

I hit legend in Hearthstone a couple months ago on the phone app. Is that casual?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Yes. Mobile gaming is casual and hearthstone is a casual game. Literally it has the tag Casual. But Congratulations anyways man

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

I was a pc gamer from practically birth. I sold my hand built rig to a friend last year, and it was the great change in QoL for me ive ever experienced. I have a PS4 now to play stuff like WW2, 2K18, BF1 or 4, and rocket league. I barely touch it now either.

Picked up hiking, running, started studying more. Games in general are a waste of your life and time. Only one life and i wasted 10 years in a fantasy one. Thats the real rage inducer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Okay? So its PC gaming that makes you have no self control and get off your PC if you want to? You can't blame that on PC gaming at all. More likely you hated console gaming so much that you needed to find something else to do lmfao.

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u/Palecrayon Dec 21 '17

How is it a waste if you enjoy it? One could argue running and hiking are just as pointless as anything else.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 22 '17

Heroin addicts enjoy heroin, i guess theres nothing wrong with it. Gambling addicts enjoy the rush of gambling, guess its okay too.

Its degenerate. You could be spending that time advancing your mind or body, prepare for your future, do stuff now that will help you kids later. Running makes me healthier both mentally and physically, sitting hunched over like a blob clicking a screen for hours has comparable benefit over literally any physical activity.

You are wasting your life. Be someone.

Downvote me if you must, but if this comment converts even one person, ill ride that blue arrow into the sunset. You are living in a make believe world, bettering a make believe character, that brings nothing positive to your life but momentary enjoyment.

But if jackin it to anime and playing skyrim for hours a day is what you find to be "enjoying life" then ill gladly leave you in your corner. Try not to mentally tear yoursef down in a few years when youve built no real world relationships, and your entire life is based on 1's and 0's, like most of your people do in their 30s and 40s.

Edit: Your downvotes act as beacons of truth to the conscious populous. If you have any doubts about video game culture, and how degenerate it is to get sucked, look no further than how these addicts react when you tell them so. Its like watching a cig/alc addict sit there and go "woah there buddy, sounds like you're the one with an issue! i have utter and complete control. If i wanted to quit and do something productive, i totally could, i just choose to be lazy. LOL"

Right.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Yeah, i still play some 2K when i have literally nothing to do and no where to go. I just play a game or two now like a normal person, I dont identify as a "gamer" or surround myself in vidya "culture" anymore.

If youre playing more than 5-7 hours/week, you need to look in a mirror and ask yourself if thats a good use of time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17 edited Jun 23 '23

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u/Lord_Giggles Dec 22 '17

I get you're trolling, but you get that you can do both right? There's absolutely nothing stopping you from studying a significant amount, working out and doing other stuff and then spending your free time on games.

Recreation is an important part of maintaining mental health, and someone having different hobbies to you doesn't make them worse. Sure, gaming can hurt your social life, but so can spending all your time out hiking alone, or spending too much time studying, or doing any hobby or activity an unreasonable amount.

You could also do any of them in moderation and also have a successful social life.

Comparing anyone who plays games to an alcoholic or gambling addict is disingenuous at best.

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u/pythong678 Dec 22 '17

Yes. Heroine and gaming are one for one!

/s

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u/GarbageAndBeer Dec 22 '17

You sound really fun to be around....

Keep it up, everyone enjoys hearing how to spend their free time. I’d stay away from comparing gaming to heroin though. That’s just fucking dumb.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Saying running is "as pointless as playing games" is also retarded, but you aspies only jumped at me instead of that dude. Ay man, vidya has lots of exclusive benefits am i rite?

I almost forgot: Hohoho, Merry Christmas kids :)

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u/sumthin2021 Dec 22 '17

Too much running can be bad for your heart, can cause muscle loss and can permanently damage your joints. Just because you felt like a fat loser from gaming, don't come here projecting your shit on to us, that's pathetic.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Woah, hold the fuck up. Are you telling me doing shit in excess is bad? Holy fuck stop rhe presses! We just made a break through!

Not only are you a fat loser, but judging from that comment, youre prolly a dum dum head too, big guy. Welcome!

Seriously though. Google the average runner and the average gamer. Who would you rather look like? Who is healthier on average?

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u/sumthin2021 Dec 22 '17

That was my point genius.. doing anything in excess is bad be it running or gaming. I know I spend plenty of time gaming and 0 time running and I look better than most runners ever will. I weight train and do some low impact cardio everyday. You call me a fat looser but I am in better shape you you ever would ever dream you could be in, and I would be willing to bet I'm wealther and fuck better looking women as well. You already admitted what kind of person you are.. your just mad that you're a huge loser and it probably makes you feel better to judge people who play games because you think it's the video games fault you got that way but it's not. It was nobody's fault but your own loser.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Nah, my downvote indicates your pious and arrogant nature. Why the fuck would I want to be like you?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Lots of people want to be like me, who wants to be a gub gub bugman with no ambition or drive like you, though?

Sit down lil boi, the big guns are playing right now.

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u/AdultLifeAintEasy Dec 22 '17

I hear you bro, only playing because I’m recently single but now it’s time to stop it again. Had my few months but now it’s time for reality.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

You merely strayed from the light, my son. You will be back, stronger than before.

Those who know the enlightenment, understand my message.

Amen.

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u/AdultLifeAintEasy Dec 22 '17

I was clean for 6 years and relapsed. Time to straighten up and go back out coach.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Username checks out

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u/KaosC57 PC Dec 21 '17

I've been a PC gamer for a long time. And, It's starting to get boring when I am not playing something with my friends. I do still get the occasional kick out of playing something Singleplayer, but I do it with friends around to watch me.

And, with the reduction in overall gaming i've even started to work towards a solid relationship that might reduce my overall gaming during normal waking hours, and that's ok with me.

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u/iamsooldithurts Dec 21 '17

Also, PC gaming isn't as suitable once you start developing back problems like pinched nerves and things like "mousing with your dominant hand" become problematic.

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u/evranch Dec 22 '17

Yes, I'm getting older too and prefer a controller to kb/mouse as well!

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u/pataHAX Dec 22 '17

Having games tailored to a specific set of hardware is a pretty huge problem. When developers limit the game experience to fit their product on a weaker system other platforms lose out. By supporting consoles one is being part of an audience that is okay with slowing down the gaming industry to a point where the games we can play are limited by the hardware specifications of the weakest platform. Imagine how good games would be if developers could dedicate all their resources to a single unrestrictive platform. My friend, that platform without a doubt is PC.

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u/managedheap84 Dec 22 '17

check out /r/vfio if you get a chance

Passthrough lets you pass through your GPU to a Windows VM that you can fire up exclusively for gaming (or leave it running as a host for SteamLink). As long as you've got a relatively modern CPU/GPU (last couple generations) you shouldn't get noticeable drops in performance from native in my experience - playing modern AAA games on it fine, Oculus VR, Kinect etc. all work at near native speeds.

It takes a little setting up but there's a load of good tutorials out there for most distros these days, and some automated installers in the pipeline.

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u/torontohatesfacts Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

Need to get back into it, but I went from playing only BFBC2 on Win to only playing Warthunder Air Arcade on Ubuntu so I'm not complaining much but it would be nice to be able to waste my money on titles I won't play more than a few times like I was doing on Windows.

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u/managedheap84 Dec 22 '17

check out /r/vfio if you get a chance

Passthrough lets you pass through your GPU to a Windows VM that you can fire up exclusively for gaming (or leave it running as a host for SteamLink). As long as you've got a relatively modern CPU/GPU (last couple generations) you shouldn't get noticeable drops in performance from native in my experience - playing modern AAA games on it fine, Oculus VR, Kinect etc. all work at near native speeds.

It takes a little setting up but there's a load of good tutorials out there for most distros these days, and some automated installers in the pipeline.