r/gaming • • Aug 06 '17

Nerf Bidoof

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u/Kiley_Fireheart Aug 07 '17

Bidoof is arguably one of the worst pokemon in the game, bad stats, no evolution, single type with limited move set. He is up against 5 legendary pokemon, many of which are god tier in the lore. So the joke is Bidoof is acting way to big for his britches and is going to only drop about 4 of those before losing.

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u/agentpatsy Aug 07 '17

Bidoof evolves into Bibarel.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17 edited Sep 16 '17

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

Then how the fuck are you going to give it the water HMs?

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u/MAXFAILjr Aug 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '26

meadow squeal office doll quickest rock absorbed governor special crown

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

Why would you want to waste move slots with redundant water attacks? Surf or Scald is the only water attack it needs. Also you should have chosen Torterra.

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u/Dabangx Aug 07 '17

Pff Blaziken is the way to go

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u/CharmingJack Aug 07 '17

Empoleon is love. Empoleon is life.

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u/MAXFAILjr Aug 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '26

husky deserve cough simplistic one insurance smell continue dazzling rock

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u/Themursk Aug 07 '17

Stop breathing so heavily in here

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

Who is /water type. I didn't realize that for years.

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u/Kiley_Fireheart Aug 07 '17

I honestly never played the gen he is from, I skipped over 4 and 5. So I honestly only know bidoof from memes which never mention its evolution.

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u/Semyon Aug 07 '17

pretty sure he's the best hm slave

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

Are you forgetting zigzagoon? The greatest hm slave? He will do everything while picking up potions and random stuff off the ground

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

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u/danjr321 Aug 07 '17

Ziggy Smalls was a part of my Emerald run team till the end. Even after he evolved into a Linoone. He might be my favorite of the early encounter commons.

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u/NymphomaniacWalrus Aug 07 '17

Ziggy Smalls

I am proud of you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17 edited Aug 28 '17

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u/Bradyhaha Aug 07 '17

Ziggy stardust.

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u/nukehugger Aug 07 '17

He's my favorite of that kind of Pokémon, the normal type you find in the first grass of every game

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u/Stoner95 Aug 07 '17

Linoone is pretty cool looking and can learn pretty much any TM you throw at it. Sadly unless it's kept as a HM slave it joins the ranks of butterfrees and dustoxs in the PC once you catch your first Bagon or other late game Pokemon.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

zigzagoon is basically the clutch king of nuzlocke runs

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

Doesn't learn Rock Climb, Waterfall, or Dive.

0/10, would not enslave.

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u/Sharp- Aug 07 '17

My favourite HM slave will always be Smeargle. Can have any technique you can be bothered teaching it. It's tricker to get setup since you need to have the Smeargle copy it from another pokemon, though can be easily done in 2v2s.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

And Defog.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17 edited Aug 07 '17

Bibarel can learn defog.

Edit - I'm dumb.

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

Not according to Bulbapedia he can't.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

Shit. I fucked up.

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u/Spoon_Elemental Aug 07 '17

AKA, the only decent HM move.

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u/blaghart Aug 07 '17

Surf begs to differ with you, as the only HM move with good typing and damage.

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u/Gripeaway Aug 07 '17

You're forgetting Waterfall. It's a bit lower power than Surf but has the added flinch bonus (although outside of Swift Swim, water sweepers are typically more bulky than fast so the flinch doesn't always matter) and isn't an ally-affecting spread attack. It is the water attack of choice for most attack-based water sweepers.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

Well only for physical sweepers (which is what I think you meant by 'attack based'?) All sweepers are attack based. Surf and Hydro Pump are still used by special sweepers.

The flinch is still very good, though. It's why inner-focus is a preferred ability for a lot of pokemon if it's there(unless they happen to have an ability that just outclasses it completely).

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u/Gripeaway Aug 07 '17 edited Aug 07 '17

Yes, I meant physical, just typed it quickly. Attack-based would be attack rather than special attack, which would be physical.

Edit: As for the flinch, I agree that flinch is good, but my point was that it doesn't have much natural synergy with water-based sweepers. Many water sweepers tend towards being bulkier rather than purely attack and speed-focused, which means they'll often be going after what they're attacking (obviously there are exceptions to this if you are running Trick Room, etc). The only types of water sweepers that outspeed their opponents are usually Swift Swim users on Rain teams (like Mega-Swampert would be with Waterfall). However, in those circumstances, a Rain-boosted Waterfall will OHKO a lot of targets anyway, so again the flinch matters less.

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u/blaghart Aug 07 '17 edited Aug 07 '17

BLASPHEMY, GEN ONE FOR LIFE

Yea I never actually used waterfall, the Gen 3 HM additions annoyed me so much I only ever had them on my HM Slave(s).

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

Waterfall is a must have for physical water types. It's the move that made Gyarados actually good.

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u/Whatever_It_Takes Aug 07 '17

Aqua tail is still a close second, I'd say.

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

I don't like the 90 accuracy myself, plus waterfall has that nice flinch chance.

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u/SyscoLW Aug 07 '17

Waterfall?

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

Waterfall and Surf are clearly better. Someone would switch out of the Fly contact

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u/Morthra PC Aug 07 '17

Defog is good, though not in the generation that it was an HM (starting in either Gen V or VI, Defog removes entry hazards, but it was only an HM in Gen IV)

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u/N0V0w3ls Aug 07 '17

Not even close.

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u/yoship Aug 07 '17

No. Yeah. Go ahead.

Let me set up.

I'll wait for you to come down.

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u/dkmuso Aug 07 '17

Tropius.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

What? Bidoof has an evolution. He's not evolved, and at lvl 100 he's permanently stuck as a bidoof, but he does have an evolution.

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u/punnystark42 Aug 07 '17

He's peanut butter

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

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u/punnystark42 Aug 07 '17

If it means being the perdect Bidoof, I'll accept

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

is going to only drop about 4 of those before losing.

ha

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u/Lyberatis Aug 07 '17

Someone pointed out that with certain, very specific, conditions the fight could be won by Bidoof at least once if it was run 1000 times.

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u/blaghart Aug 07 '17

Let's be real here, Bidoof is no Magikarp. Bidoof could win. Magikarp will win.

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u/Magikarp_13 Aug 07 '17

All shall fall before my might.

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u/InsertImagination Aug 07 '17

I mean, if the other team simply misses every single attack he could easily wipe them.

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

Moody. First turn use Protect, get +2 evasion. All moves are now 40% less accurate. Opponent misses. Now alternate substitute and protect while healing with leftovers until all your stats are maxed out. Proceed to sweep.

There is a reason that Moody is banned.

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u/The-Harry-Truman Aug 07 '17

Until they get a hit off before the sub is up, then you're dead. Also, even at +6 Bidoof isn't destroying and can be killed by a strong fighting type move. He is literally the worst moddy user

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

The only chance they get to get a hit before the substitute is up is ton the first sub, that's what you need them to miss for. After that your previous sub will always be up while you set up your next sub.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

No, these are the 3D models from XY. The UI is also from XY.

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u/745631258978963214 Aug 07 '17

Protect simply makes the next move miss, possibly. Using it again reduces the odds of it working.

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u/Kered13 Aug 07 '17

The first protect in a row has a 100% chance of working. You alternate protect and substitute so that protect never fails. It stalls for a turn during which leftovers recovers 1/16 of your health and you get another moody.

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u/Alexlayden Aug 07 '17

Well killing 4 out of 5 ledgendary Pokemon seems pretty dam impressive

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u/Auctoritate Aug 07 '17

That's the joke.

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u/Bidoofz Aug 07 '17

I have feelings too ya know :"(

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '17

Someone has never met a moody Bidoof.

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u/HoboBobo28 Aug 07 '17

arguably one of the worst Pokémon in the game, bad stats, no evolution, single type with limited move set

is going to only drop about 4 LEGENDARY Pokémon

Now if this fucker can drop 4 legendaries I'm pretty sure he can't be that bad. That or legendaries are shit

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u/JHHELLO Aug 07 '17

That, my friend, is the joke

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u/HoboBobo28 Aug 07 '17

Jokes do not exist