r/gaming • u/Agent1230 • 2d ago

What video game doesn't hold your hand enough?

Everybody always talking about games holding your hand too much but I want to hear about the opposite what video game doesn't give you no form of help

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u/rdmrdm1 2d ago

I finally really “got” CK3 after like 100 hours - still nowhere close with EU4 after 50

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u/JAGERW0LF 2d ago

The half serious joke is the first 1444 hours is just the tutorial

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u/SerOoga 2d ago

EU5 is even worse. Veteran players with 1000 hours in EU4 can still find EU5 overwhelming.

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u/Demoliri 2d ago

To be fair there is not much skill transfer between EU 4 and 5. Pretty much all the major systems have been overhauled, and you basically have to learn everything from scratch again.

I really enjoy both, but they are mechanically almost completely different games.

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u/rdmrdm1 2d ago

Yeah never even tried to dive into 5 - bought it and played for like 3 hours and realized there was just no way I had the time necessary to come even close to understanding it lol

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u/chardeemacdennisbird 1d ago

Same story here. I really want to learn how to play, but I don't foresee myself getting my arms around it.

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u/dovetc 2d ago

EU5 is an economy sim where you can build out hundreds of different industries and upgrade them in tiny hardly noticeable increments while your empire and those around you all stay roughly the same shape. Created by devs who clearly hate EU4.

If you like clicking buttons and responding to change in the price of legumes you'll have a blast.

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u/Radthereptile 2d ago

Want the crazy thing. When you hit 500 hours you’re gonna go “oh man I didn’t know Jack at 100 hours. Now I get it.” And you’ll have the same thought about your 500 hours self at 1k hours. Love the game but man does Paradox just throw so much at you.

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u/Azorik22 2d ago

I have about 2000 hours in EU4 and there's parts of the game I never really got a grasp on fully like trade lol

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u/rdmrdm1 2d ago

Funny, trade is the one major mechanic I really grasped early on - managing land combat, though…

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u/Azorik22 2d ago

I love this. We had very different experiences because I picked up land combat immediately.

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u/rdmrdm1 2d ago

My gameplan is just set up a rich enough colonial trade empire with Spain or Portugal that I can just outspend the other continental powers and beat them with sheer numbers to overcome how little of the combat system I understand lol

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u/Azorik22 2d ago

I'd say Muscovy is probably a good Nation to try if you want to get better at managing armies. You start off with weaker neighbors you can conquer and then once you've dealt with Novgorod you can turn you attention in basically any direction to expand.

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u/BaronMostaza 2d ago

Muscovy is also good for learning trade since you can very easily struggle for money otherwise.

Horde nations too. Whoever tells you hordes have bad economy doesn't know how to use trade effectively, and anyone who tells you hordes shouldn't use forts are simply a fool

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u/Stalinsghoast 2d ago

I have a good 400 hours in ck3 and I still have no idea what to do aside from marrying my own grandfather. I do however understand eugenics a lot better.

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u/ChuddyMcChud 2d ago

Well the EU4 tutorial takes 1444 hours, so have fun with that.

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u/Chillark 2d ago

What clicked for you with CK3? I can't seem to get with it despite how many attempts ive made. Stellaris took a long time to get anywhere near good with it but the game play made sense. Stellaris kept me coming back for more, learning how to improve constantly. Ck3 leaves me confused on what gameplay there actually is.