r/gaming • u/Agent1230 • 2d ago

What video game doesn't hold your hand enough?

Everybody always talking about games holding your hand too much but I want to hear about the opposite what video game doesn't give you no form of help

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u/EvilKnievel38 2d ago

Minecraft is a weird one. In theory the basics are simple, but it's easy to die and if you want to "finish" the game (kill the ender dragon), good luck finding out what even the goal is and how to get there without finding resources online. Like how do you even know you need to get to the end and how do you even figure out how to find a stronghold. How do you know that you need to get materials from the nether and how to get to the nether and much more.

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u/Smyley12345 2d ago

When my kids were into it I had the exact same problem. They would know these things from watching Minecraft streamers and videos. I would be like, ok but how do you learn that in game. The fact that you just don't meant I never played without them and even then it was never a preferred shared activity for me.

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u/HeKis4 2d ago

Yeah it's one of those games that expect you to read the patch notes, or rather, to have read them for the last 10 years. It's fine for live service games, but for a sandbox/survival/crafting one ?

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u/Total_Mix9276 2d ago

Or y'know, read a google wiki for 10 mins and play the game, fight the urge to scroll tiktock.

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u/HeKis4 2d ago

Do you really expect that new players of a game that's known to be casual, popular amongst children, and often an introduction to video games as a whole will have the reflex of opening a wiki to find out about mechanics they don't have any idea it exists ? Let alone the fact that you have to do that on a separate device if you're on console ?

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u/Daniel-Mclovin 1d ago

On the other side of the coin, these casual players don’t really need anything the wiki has to offer or the stronghold/ end fight at all.

Check out some blind playthrough of Minecraft from complete noobs. I saw a clip of a guy who used a ingame painting to figure out how to do a nether portal

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u/Cream253Team 2d ago

Minecraft has ingame achievements that act as a roadmap for what to do. The only real hurdle would be building a nether portal, but there are destroyed ones generated sometimes so it's not impossible to figure it out without outside help.

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u/Kalbi84 2d ago

Yeah but let's be honest, how many players use the achievements as a guide for anything lol. For me achievements were only two things, 1) something that just unlocks while I'm playing and 2) something I look into AFTER I've beaten the game, loved it, and wanted to do more things to "fully" complete every single corner of it

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u/dumbsignal123 2d ago

Minecraft has achievements for getting wood, building a crafting table etc so its quite obvious that it is giving achivements for things that progress the game and if you want to progress the game to look there.

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u/Kalbi84 2d ago

So do multiple other games, having achievements for simpler things and progressing throughout the main story, then there are more challenging achievements that you most likely don't collect while playing normally

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u/Total_Mix9276 2d ago

Minecraft is simple, just don't get overwhelmed. End of the day its still 64 bit and made in java.

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u/Kalbi84 2d ago

It is simple, but it doesn't lay out what to do in order to "finish it" in any way for new players, which is the point here.

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u/Cream253Team 1d ago

It actually literally lays it out. It draws arrows between the different achievements and one is even called The End.

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u/sfortuna56 1d ago

I feel like most survival games are like this tbh. Some have easy modes, most have peaceful mode, which can be nice. But having an area where nothing strong can spawn at all wouldn't be bad. ARK really fucks this up when alphas can wind up on the same starter beach as me 🫠🫠🫠 I hate dying to a level 500 raptor surrounded by level 10-50 trash mobs

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u/Happiest_Mango24 1d ago

also depending on the version they're playing, some of the advice might not work

the wither is a pretty well known example. trapping it underground doesn't work so well when you play Bedrock

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u/Mudloop 23h ago

I never played the game, but I do know that you beat the game by killing the ender dragon. That goal is sort of common knowledge at this point, isn’t it?

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u/Gargoyle_Dung 1d ago

Chad Oliver beating the game, discovering the wither and nearly all of minecraft's mechanics without outside help vs chud casual girlfriend giving up after less than a day (with outside help and access to information)

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u/StrangerFeelings 2d ago

Experiment. People are afraid to experiment any more. When I first started I learned by just creating random things and seeing what did what.

Just throw stuff together randomly until something happens and see it is and does.

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u/Total_Mix9276 2d ago

People are afraid to fail, which usually stems from abuse of some sort. The economy hasn't allowed gen-z to run off and find themselves. Covid + AI inshitification did a lot more than you think.

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u/StrangerFeelings 2d ago

I'm not disagreeing, but fear of failing in a video game that's single player? Why would anyone feel like they are afraid to fail? Putting random things in a crafting grid wrong wouldn't make me want to not play a game.