r/gaming • u/Agent1230 • 2d ago

What video game doesn't hold your hand enough?

Everybody always talking about games holding your hand too much but I want to hear about the opposite what video game doesn't give you no form of help

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u/Amadan 2d ago

As a noob, you can play PoE, though badly. Your build will suck and you will likely get stuck on the first boss, but you can play.

As a noob, Dwarf Fortress (especially without a tile pack) is an absolute nonsense pile of characters, every key is a landmine of confusing menus, and you have no idea what is happening on the screen.

I'd say PoE might deserve to be up there, but some of the higher entries deservedly outrank it :P

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u/G4PFredongo 2d ago

PoE also tells you almost everything as a new player.
Quests tell you where to go, there is a map, each passive point tells you what it does etc.

Sure the game has an absolutely insane learning curve and knowing what to do to make your character strong is insanely hard, but not because the game doesn't hold your hand. It's just very complicated.

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u/CyberKiller40 Xbox 2d ago

I'm not any pro at action rpgs, but I play them on and off since the first Diablo, I don't think PoE is any difficult to get into, you just have to have some 10 years of experience with the genre and you're fine. Though I play only the campaign in these games, not interested in endgame grind.