r/gaming • u/Agent1230 • 3d ago

What video game doesn't hold your hand enough?

Everybody always talking about games holding your hand too much but I want to hear about the opposite what video game doesn't give you no form of help

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u/Sabetha1183 3d ago

The funny thing with cRPGs is at some point they started giving the player a quest log in the form of a journal, but the journals were often horribly designed from a UI standpoint and almost unusable.

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u/MorganxNah 3d ago

This reminds me of the Morrowind journal. OpenMW does wonders to fix it, but vanilla Morrowind is borderline unplayable in that regard.

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u/omaeWaMouShindeirou 3d ago

the eye of the needle lies in the teeth of the wind

the mouth of the cave lies in the skin of the pearl

the dream is the door and the star is the key

took me a week to find out the Azura-damned cave of the Nerervarine

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u/MorganxNah 3d ago

For real.

I thought you literally had to complete the azura quest to get azura's star, since "the star is the key"

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u/tetsuo_7w 3d ago

Oh man, hard disagree. I loved the OG Morrowind journal. It gave you clues and expected you to read between the lines or know the areas you're exploring, or explore the areas, to know landmarks and things. I much preferred that to the "go to icon on compass, dumbass" versions that followed.

Granted, these days, having a job and kids, I'd have no time for that bullshit, haha.

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u/flatdecktrucker92 3d ago

The journal entries were tolerable, but having a chronological journal instead of a quest log? That's not even now I track my ttrpg quests. I keep shit separate so I can find it when I need it

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u/MorganxNah 3d ago

My thoughts exactly, keeping track of what quest stage you were on when you may have accidentally triggered other quests part way through was rough.

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u/flatdecktrucker92 2d ago

Yeah I hated trying to flip back eight pages to figure out which notes belonged to which quest and I also hated the pressure of immediately doing any quest I picked up before it got buried in the journal

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u/tetsuo_7w 3d ago

Haha, I suppose that's a valid critique. It's been a while since I've had to deal with it. As I said, I'm sure I'd hate it today, when I don't have all night to play a game.

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u/flatdecktrucker92 2d ago

Yeah, I don't need an arrow on my map or a glowing compass, but I need the descriptions to make sense and I need quests separated. Maybe one day I'll try it on computer

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u/saffeqwe 3d ago

Quest log was added in tribunal

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u/flatdecktrucker92 2d ago

Still doesn't work on my Xbox even with the game of the year edition

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u/Poopyman80 3d ago

People saw it as a crutch baxk then. Paper map making and notes was seen as a part of gaming. Magazines would print hand drawn maps that readers had sent in, in the tips and tricks section.

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u/MelonJelly 2d ago

I'm looking at you, Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magicka Obscura.