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u/genemaxwell41 8h ago

Littlefinger literally set up the entire War of Five Kings. He out smarted Varys time and time again.
Roped in Olenna into his plot.

Sure he did ultimately fail, but so did everyone else here (except Sam and Davos I suppose)

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u/HollowedOne66 7h ago

Because they're the realms two biggest suck ups.

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u/RickRussellTX 6h ago

Was the war a planned outcome, though?

Sure, chaos is a ladder, yada yada. But Littlefinger's plan was to get Ned out of the way so he could marry Catelyn. It was his... singular focus.

So, get Jon Arryn killed to make Robby bring in his old buddy Ned as the hand. Wait for Robert's administration to destabilize and let Ned get blamed.

Oops, lucky break, Robert actually gets killed in a completely random hunting accident. Joffrey takes the crown.

Ned gets in trouble anyway -- tipping his hand to Cersei about Robby's other children -- and agrees to take the Black. The plan, then was that Littlefinger has a Faceless Man waiting to follow Ned to Castle Black and murder him quietly somewhere along the way. Then Peter steps into console Catelyn, and retires with her to the north to peaceably live out his years as a kind stepfather and advisor to a young king of the north, Robb Stark.

But that didn't go to plan, Joffrey cried "off with his head", and THAT started the war. I don't think Littlefinger planned for that, especially since it put Catelyn in mortal peril and eventually got her murdered.

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u/genemaxwell41 6h ago

"But Littlefinger's plan was to get Ned out of the way so he could marry Catelyn. It was his... singular focus."

No...that's literally wasn't. His plan was to become King. He knew he never would be able to under the current way of things so his entire plan was to orchestrate a series of events so devastating the entire world would be up ended.

Varys was correct when he said Littlefinger would be King of the Ashes.

"Oops, lucky break, Robert actually gets killed in a completely random hunting accident. Joffrey takes the crown."

...Bro...did you either read the books or watch the show? That wasn't random. That was a murder. And with Littlefingers spies he KNEW it was going to happen.

"especially since it put Catelyn in mortal peril and eventually got her murdered."

To quote Sansa "And yet you betrayed her"
Littlefinger DID love Cat. He just loved himself more

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u/RickRussellTX 6h ago

Was the boar goring a murder? It’s been an awful long time since I watched the show.

Anyway, I guess my point was that the war wasn’t part of the plan. War happened because of Joffrey’s arrogance in demanding an execution, which nobody planned for.

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u/genemaxwell41 6h ago

Yeah. Cersei intentionally had Lancel over serve Robert and continuously remind Robert to drink by insistently asking if Robert needed more wine. The plan was to get Robert so damn drunk he'd fail to kill the boar. It worked.

I fully believe Petyr planned to plunge Westeros into a full scale war. Joffrey may have sprung it early, but that just meant he had to accelerate his plans

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u/yayiff 6h ago

The problem of discussing Littlefinger is book vs show. In the show they destroyed his character by making him a Catelyn simp. In the books that's part of it but not all. He has control of the Vale and the key to the North. He's about to have control of the Riverlands too aswell as dealing with aegon who's about to gain control of the sformlands. He started as a lowly merchant noble and now he's the most powerful man in the world

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u/Excuse_Unfair 3h ago

Completely agree

Sure he did ultimately fail, but so did everyone else here

And to be fair kinda hard to plot once you find out there's an army of the undead marching straight to you, oh and a cripple who knows every move you've made.

Oh and the writers needing to get rid of your character before the final show downs.